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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 1830698" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>I used to think this, but several things bother me. First, there's no way that a field level DoJ attorney or supervisory ATF agent in Phoenix decided that it was OK to violate the soverignty of a foreign country, by sending a couple thousand "assault weapons" across the border in the hands of known drug cartel mules. It would be career suicide to do such a thing. Another issue is that as an operation involving drug smuggling and gun trafficking, Fast and Furious was part of the internal Justice Department division known to insiders as "Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force" (OCDETF). The division is so important within the Justice Department that all of its operations must be overseen and approved directly by the Attorney General, with overall oversight provided by the President of the United States.</p><p></p><p>Andrew McCarthy of National Review provides an in depth report on the manner in which OCDETF operates, the relevant point being that the administration's claim that the Fast and Furious scandal was a botched sting operation of local field agents out of the Phoenix office is completely ludicrous when viewed within the context of the OCDETF. </p><p></p><p>These operations are invariably conducted by what is known as "main Justice" in Washington at the highest levels of government.</p><p></p><p>Thus, there is no way in which Fast and Furious could have been conceived, planned, and implemented without the expressed knowledge and approval of the Attorney General in consultation with the President of the United States.</p><p></p><p>Don't forget the sister operation in Florida called Castaway.</p><p></p><p>Now, add the fact that the CIA and DEA were upset at the operation and wanted "deconfliction", which were rebuffed by ATF and FBI. When they went to the White House national Security Counsel with the issue, the response from Obama's golf buddy and alleged right hand man Denis McDonough was "butt out". There's still the issue of the "third gun" which went missing from the Brian Terry murder scene that points to the murder being carried out by paid FBI informants, not ATF. </p><p></p><p>As I've stated MANY times before, independent of each other, none of these issues points to a wider conspiracy. Taken collectively, they do. I've been hopeful, particularly after someone leaked the wiretap authorizations to Issa, that somewhere there's a whistleblower with a smoking gun. I hope they're waiting to drop that bomb when it will have maximum political effect on Holder & Obama. But, when I saw how thoroughly the Obama administration, with the help of key players in Congress, punked the GOP on Obamacare, bad. My faith is shaken that they were stupid enough to leave a smoking gun at all. A few whispered words from ear to ear is all it takes to have plausible deniability. Are they really stupid enough to leave emails and signed documents in their wake?</p><p></p><p>I'm not so sure. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 1830698, member: 1132"] I used to think this, but several things bother me. First, there's no way that a field level DoJ attorney or supervisory ATF agent in Phoenix decided that it was OK to violate the soverignty of a foreign country, by sending a couple thousand "assault weapons" across the border in the hands of known drug cartel mules. It would be career suicide to do such a thing. Another issue is that as an operation involving drug smuggling and gun trafficking, Fast and Furious was part of the internal Justice Department division known to insiders as "Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force" (OCDETF). The division is so important within the Justice Department that all of its operations must be overseen and approved directly by the Attorney General, with overall oversight provided by the President of the United States. Andrew McCarthy of National Review provides an in depth report on the manner in which OCDETF operates, the relevant point being that the administration's claim that the Fast and Furious scandal was a botched sting operation of local field agents out of the Phoenix office is completely ludicrous when viewed within the context of the OCDETF. These operations are invariably conducted by what is known as "main Justice" in Washington at the highest levels of government. Thus, there is no way in which Fast and Furious could have been conceived, planned, and implemented without the expressed knowledge and approval of the Attorney General in consultation with the President of the United States. Don't forget the sister operation in Florida called Castaway. Now, add the fact that the CIA and DEA were upset at the operation and wanted "deconfliction", which were rebuffed by ATF and FBI. When they went to the White House national Security Counsel with the issue, the response from Obama's golf buddy and alleged right hand man Denis McDonough was "butt out". There's still the issue of the "third gun" which went missing from the Brian Terry murder scene that points to the murder being carried out by paid FBI informants, not ATF. As I've stated MANY times before, independent of each other, none of these issues points to a wider conspiracy. Taken collectively, they do. I've been hopeful, particularly after someone leaked the wiretap authorizations to Issa, that somewhere there's a whistleblower with a smoking gun. I hope they're waiting to drop that bomb when it will have maximum political effect on Holder & Obama. But, when I saw how thoroughly the Obama administration, with the help of key players in Congress, punked the GOP on Obamacare, bad. My faith is shaken that they were stupid enough to leave a smoking gun at all. A few whispered words from ear to ear is all it takes to have plausible deniability. Are they really stupid enough to leave emails and signed documents in their wake? I'm not so sure. :( [/QUOTE]
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