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<blockquote data-quote="sh00ter" data-source="post: 3534840" data-attributes="member: 24531"><p>Man sorry to hear that, I have read that covid can cause lots of inflammation in the body and perhaps it can last even after the virus is eliminated from the body. If it were me, I would want to try something to bring down inflammation as well as bring oxygen to my heart. Two things that you may want to research are <strong>curcumin</strong> and also <strong>hawthorne berry extract</strong>, and <strong>CoQ10</strong> (ubiquinol form)respectively.</p><p></p><p>On curcumin (comes from turmeric), most of it is unabsorbable garbage. There are various patented kinds that are proven to absorb much better such as BCM-95 or C3 to name a few. It has helped me immensely with pain and back problems, and my inflammatory blood work including cardiac markers are good while taking it. Also, no more gout for years w/out meds! Sam's club sells a brand that has the C3 for a reasonable price.</p><p></p><p>If you do wind up confirming heart failure, get every book written by cardiologist <strong>Dr</strong>. <strong>Stephen Sinatra. </strong>I am not going to cover the supps in detail he recommends, but I recall D-ribose, acetyl-l-carnitine, and a high dose of CoQ10.</p><p></p><p>If it were me I would also try and eliminate inflammatory foods such as white flour, sugar, crappy oils, etc. Some people even drink <strong>an ounce or two of extra-virgin olive oil every day</strong> so also research the benefits of that. I was a no sleep, beer & pizza guy for much of my life but necessity is the mother of ingenuity...we all have to adapt some. Even a placebo can work if you believe in it...I have learned the body responds to your thoughts & attitude as well.</p><p></p><p><strong><u>PART-2</u></strong></p><p></p><p>Also, since we have our first response, I'm going to mention a potential culprit for fatigue after a stressful event including a viral illness. ~90% plus of the adult population carries the <strong>Epstein Barr virus (EBV)</strong> in their body for life. It causes mono (which makes you very tired & weak), but even people who never had mono can have picked up the virus during their lifetime. When your immune system faces another challenge, this virus (and others in the same family) can come out of dormancy and result in a chronic infection of EBV. In many cases of people being weak and fatigued for months after another illness, it is the opportunistic EBV that is the root cause.</p><p></p><p>Research this virus and you will see how nasty it really is. It is implicated as a potential cause of Lyme disease (yes Lyme is real but some people think they have it and it may be EBV causing their issues), all sorts of other health problems including up to even lymphoma. So most of us carry this, and in some people they don't have any issue because they live a healthy life and/or have good genes, or whatever. But then they get older and their immune system goes down and EBV can also activate just because of that. In younger people, it is probably more from lifestyle and stress. Having covid would be very stressful and challenge the body to the max in some people. This sets up the perfect opportunity for EBV (or others) to reactivate if even at a low-level and people just never fully recover. Some doctors see it a lot after a bad flu and refer to it as post-viral fatigue syndrome, but it is also theorized to be a factor in chronic fatigue syndrome (also known as ME). There are a LOT of chronic and serious diseases that are linked to EBV including autoimmune diseases that present in the months after some life stress or trauma (whether physical or emotional).</p><p></p><p>I could probably write a book about this by now, but there is one thing that I personally believe helped me the most. If it were me, related to the heart and pain, I would look into the things mentioned so far. But if the fatigue and/or weird neuro symptoms persisted (some people also get that), then there are many other things I can mention, but really two specific things that helped the most that I will save for another reply to keep things interesting. Either someone will ask what they are, or I will do a part 3 when some one shares an issue that is the best fit.</p><p></p><p>Prayers brother!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sh00ter, post: 3534840, member: 24531"] Man sorry to hear that, I have read that covid can cause lots of inflammation in the body and perhaps it can last even after the virus is eliminated from the body. If it were me, I would want to try something to bring down inflammation as well as bring oxygen to my heart. Two things that you may want to research are [B]curcumin[/B] and also [B]hawthorne berry extract[/B], and [B]CoQ10[/B] (ubiquinol form)respectively. On curcumin (comes from turmeric), most of it is unabsorbable garbage. There are various patented kinds that are proven to absorb much better such as BCM-95 or C3 to name a few. It has helped me immensely with pain and back problems, and my inflammatory blood work including cardiac markers are good while taking it. Also, no more gout for years w/out meds! Sam's club sells a brand that has the C3 for a reasonable price. If you do wind up confirming heart failure, get every book written by cardiologist [B]Dr[/B]. [B]Stephen Sinatra. [/B]I am not going to cover the supps in detail he recommends, but I recall D-ribose, acetyl-l-carnitine, and a high dose of CoQ10. If it were me I would also try and eliminate inflammatory foods such as white flour, sugar, crappy oils, etc. Some people even drink [B]an ounce or two of extra-virgin olive oil every day[/B] so also research the benefits of that. I was a no sleep, beer & pizza guy for much of my life but necessity is the mother of ingenuity...we all have to adapt some. Even a placebo can work if you believe in it...I have learned the body responds to your thoughts & attitude as well. [B][U]PART-2[/U][/B] Also, since we have our first response, I'm going to mention a potential culprit for fatigue after a stressful event including a viral illness. ~90% plus of the adult population carries the [B]Epstein Barr virus (EBV)[/B] in their body for life. It causes mono (which makes you very tired & weak), but even people who never had mono can have picked up the virus during their lifetime. When your immune system faces another challenge, this virus (and others in the same family) can come out of dormancy and result in a chronic infection of EBV. In many cases of people being weak and fatigued for months after another illness, it is the opportunistic EBV that is the root cause. Research this virus and you will see how nasty it really is. It is implicated as a potential cause of Lyme disease (yes Lyme is real but some people think they have it and it may be EBV causing their issues), all sorts of other health problems including up to even lymphoma. So most of us carry this, and in some people they don't have any issue because they live a healthy life and/or have good genes, or whatever. But then they get older and their immune system goes down and EBV can also activate just because of that. In younger people, it is probably more from lifestyle and stress. Having covid would be very stressful and challenge the body to the max in some people. This sets up the perfect opportunity for EBV (or others) to reactivate if even at a low-level and people just never fully recover. Some doctors see it a lot after a bad flu and refer to it as post-viral fatigue syndrome, but it is also theorized to be a factor in chronic fatigue syndrome (also known as ME). There are a LOT of chronic and serious diseases that are linked to EBV including autoimmune diseases that present in the months after some life stress or trauma (whether physical or emotional). I could probably write a book about this by now, but there is one thing that I personally believe helped me the most. If it were me, related to the heart and pain, I would look into the things mentioned so far. But if the fatigue and/or weird neuro symptoms persisted (some people also get that), then there are many other things I can mention, but really two specific things that helped the most that I will save for another reply to keep things interesting. Either someone will ask what they are, or I will do a part 3 when some one shares an issue that is the best fit. Prayers brother! [/QUOTE]
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