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<blockquote data-quote="Koshinn" data-source="post: 1505947" data-attributes="member: 18314"><p>I was born and raised in the 9th circuit's jurisdiction, it's where I go to see my family when I take leave, and it's probably where I will go after my service commitment is up with the USAF.</p><p></p><p>I don't know if anyone has challenged the ATF in the last 10 years, but it's more than likely that the ATF just doesn't try to arrest people with a pistol with VFG in the 9th circuit because they know it's a complete waste of time and public image. I'd like to do what they did in the 9th circuit for Oklahoma... but I don't know if I want to risk a felony for that. There are other ways to bring up the issue.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I personally know many public defenders and I know the culture they work in. I forgive you for buying in to the stereotypes of lawyers as money hungry sharks, but not anyone can be a public defender. You have to apply and <em>the large majority</em> are rejected. Being a public defender isn't something you do because you can't cut it in a big law firm, it's something you do because you believe in the process.</p><p></p><p>Actually, most lawyers don't even do it for the money. I know this is a shock, but most come out of law school with a gigantic debt and will work years to pay it off. Those that do work in the huge law firms spend 12+ hours a day working in an extremely high stress environment. Those within 5-10 years of graduating from law school earn their money. After that, when you become a partner in the law firm, it's much like being in the upper leadership of any company. You make a lot of money for a lot less work, although you do make all the big decisions. You probably won't believe me, but most people who go to law school do it to make a difference. To uphold the constitution against all challengers, to defend those without the ability to defend themselves, to provide legal aid and help with navigating the maze of paperwork/regulations/statutes to those that can't afford it, to change unjust or ancient laws to reflect what society believes is now correct, and things like that. Here's an example: Hawaii is a "may issue", not a "shall issue" state regarding concealed carry licenses. In fact, almost all applications for CCLs are rejected by the chief of police... Hawaii has crappy gun laws. So who's fighting the hardest against this? Lawyers. Lawyers who do it not for money or for a hidden agenda, but because they believe in the 2nd amendment and the right of every person to defend themselves. This group volunteers their time and money to petition legislators and raise public awareness. They do it because they want to make a difference.</p><p></p><p>I've been around lawyers all my life. My parents and their friends are lawyers. I went to law school, so many of my friends are lawyers. I meet them all the time randomly as well. Lawyers get a bad rep because every so often, you see one make a ridiculous argument that gets accepted by a jury of your peers, and gets a very counter-intuitive ruling. But for every one of those, there are hundreds if not thousands of lawyers doing "good" by anyone's standards every single day.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Koshinn, post: 1505947, member: 18314"] I was born and raised in the 9th circuit's jurisdiction, it's where I go to see my family when I take leave, and it's probably where I will go after my service commitment is up with the USAF. I don't know if anyone has challenged the ATF in the last 10 years, but it's more than likely that the ATF just doesn't try to arrest people with a pistol with VFG in the 9th circuit because they know it's a complete waste of time and public image. I'd like to do what they did in the 9th circuit for Oklahoma... but I don't know if I want to risk a felony for that. There are other ways to bring up the issue. I personally know many public defenders and I know the culture they work in. I forgive you for buying in to the stereotypes of lawyers as money hungry sharks, but not anyone can be a public defender. You have to apply and [i]the large majority[/i] are rejected. Being a public defender isn't something you do because you can't cut it in a big law firm, it's something you do because you believe in the process. Actually, most lawyers don't even do it for the money. I know this is a shock, but most come out of law school with a gigantic debt and will work years to pay it off. Those that do work in the huge law firms spend 12+ hours a day working in an extremely high stress environment. Those within 5-10 years of graduating from law school earn their money. After that, when you become a partner in the law firm, it's much like being in the upper leadership of any company. You make a lot of money for a lot less work, although you do make all the big decisions. You probably won't believe me, but most people who go to law school do it to make a difference. To uphold the constitution against all challengers, to defend those without the ability to defend themselves, to provide legal aid and help with navigating the maze of paperwork/regulations/statutes to those that can't afford it, to change unjust or ancient laws to reflect what society believes is now correct, and things like that. Here's an example: Hawaii is a "may issue", not a "shall issue" state regarding concealed carry licenses. In fact, almost all applications for CCLs are rejected by the chief of police... Hawaii has crappy gun laws. So who's fighting the hardest against this? Lawyers. Lawyers who do it not for money or for a hidden agenda, but because they believe in the 2nd amendment and the right of every person to defend themselves. This group volunteers their time and money to petition legislators and raise public awareness. They do it because they want to make a difference. I've been around lawyers all my life. My parents and their friends are lawyers. I went to law school, so many of my friends are lawyers. I meet them all the time randomly as well. Lawyers get a bad rep because every so often, you see one make a ridiculous argument that gets accepted by a jury of your peers, and gets a very counter-intuitive ruling. But for every one of those, there are hundreds if not thousands of lawyers doing "good" by anyone's standards every single day. [/QUOTE]
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