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<blockquote data-quote="Ethan N" data-source="post: 3225878" data-attributes="member: 29267"><p>My comment about “armchair quarterbacks” (not “armchair lawyers”) was directed specifically at those on OSA who are not lawyers and had no special knowledge of the case or the law, but who were quick back in 2012 to declare unequivocally that it was obvious and undeniable that carrying in a polling place was illegal, despite the fact that it was anything but obvious to all of the involved law enforcement and lawyers for both sides. My purpose was not to claim that I was right and no one else’s opinions on that case matter. It was to defend myself against repeated unjustified attacks on my intelligence in the form of people claiming I was an idiot or ignorant for not realizing how supposedly obvious it was that what I did was unlawful. I would have welcomed a thoughtful discussion of the legalities here on OSA, but unfortunately that’s not what happened, for the most part. There were a few people who attempted to point out how the law was ambiguous and that there were factual nuances that made understanding the application of the law tricky, but they were bitten just as viciously by the attention whore witch hunters as I had been.</p><p></p><p>But the main thing I want to be sure to address is that I fear you may have misunderstood me when I said…</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">“And of course, they know the law so much better than all those ignorant lawyers and law enforcement officers.”</p><p></p><p>I was being sarcastic in the use of the word “ignorant” in that sentence. I suppose it was a mistake to rely on sarcasm in a very serious forum post. My point was the opposite of what you seem to have understood. I was saying that it was lawyers and law enforcement who would have been the most reliable source of opinion on the law and its application to the facts of the case. And I was saying that based on the prevailing opinions expressed in that OSA thread back in 2012, the members here would have considered the lawyers and law enforcement who were actually involved in the case idiots because those lawyers and LEOs couldn’t see how supposedly obvious it was that I broke the law. I hold law enforcement officers and the skills of lawyers in high regard and would never disparage them as a group. This is why I’m posting yet again in this thread – because I want there to be no mistake about my respect for the members of this community. However, if some of the armchair quarterbacks that I spoke of happen to be lawyers or LEOs, I stand by my assertion that they were wrong to malign me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ethan N, post: 3225878, member: 29267"] My comment about “armchair quarterbacks” (not “armchair lawyers”) was directed specifically at those on OSA who are not lawyers and had no special knowledge of the case or the law, but who were quick back in 2012 to declare unequivocally that it was obvious and undeniable that carrying in a polling place was illegal, despite the fact that it was anything but obvious to all of the involved law enforcement and lawyers for both sides. My purpose was not to claim that I was right and no one else’s opinions on that case matter. It was to defend myself against repeated unjustified attacks on my intelligence in the form of people claiming I was an idiot or ignorant for not realizing how supposedly obvious it was that what I did was unlawful. I would have welcomed a thoughtful discussion of the legalities here on OSA, but unfortunately that’s not what happened, for the most part. There were a few people who attempted to point out how the law was ambiguous and that there were factual nuances that made understanding the application of the law tricky, but they were bitten just as viciously by the attention whore witch hunters as I had been. But the main thing I want to be sure to address is that I fear you may have misunderstood me when I said… [INDENT]“And of course, they know the law so much better than all those ignorant lawyers and law enforcement officers.”[/INDENT] I was being sarcastic in the use of the word “ignorant” in that sentence. I suppose it was a mistake to rely on sarcasm in a very serious forum post. My point was the opposite of what you seem to have understood. I was saying that it was lawyers and law enforcement who would have been the most reliable source of opinion on the law and its application to the facts of the case. And I was saying that based on the prevailing opinions expressed in that OSA thread back in 2012, the members here would have considered the lawyers and law enforcement who were actually involved in the case idiots because those lawyers and LEOs couldn’t see how supposedly obvious it was that I broke the law. I hold law enforcement officers and the skills of lawyers in high regard and would never disparage them as a group. This is why I’m posting yet again in this thread – because I want there to be no mistake about my respect for the members of this community. However, if some of the armchair quarterbacks that I spoke of happen to be lawyers or LEOs, I stand by my assertion that they were wrong to malign me. [/QUOTE]
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