Are we required to disclose a firearm at a suspicionless DHS internal checkpoint?

[Glocktogo]

You and I are pretty much on the same page here. My comment was not on the law itself but was with the idea espoused by some that those enforcing the law should somehow be afforded a break in how they enforce it. The idea that the ends justify the means is wrong.
"I hear it all the time when an abuse is pointed out. So and so has a tough job, we need to allow him some leeway in applying the law."
This should never be an excuse for sloppy police work.
My comment is only about the "its a tough job" excuse.

If it is a good excuse I hope you feel the same way about a doctor that cuts off the wrong leg during a surgery.

Michael

It's not. Had the BP agent incorrectly demanded the citizen answer or be detained for refusal to cooperate, I would be saying she was wrong. Same for the former officer who threatened to "cap" the guy whom he refused to allow to notify he was carrying concealed on a traffic stop. Ignorance of the law is no excuse and there is no excuse for arrogance of the law either. I was merely pointing out that in the OP's example, no rights were violated, according to the law.

Self ownership is the First Principle of being free. Violation of this first principle one iota negates the entire thing, the same as a drop of piss in clean water no longer makes clean water pure. Considering that each payday property is taken without consent by government regulates men to being nothing but serfs. Asking permission to arm oneself at anytime regulates us to subjects. Demanding that we stop for checkpoints makes us no better than animals to be herded. The government's only ability to coerce participation in these actions is to hold the threat of physical violence against those who attempt noncompliance. It's been pointed out on this thread and many others on this forum, "... go ahead and see how that works out for you." The implication is that the moment you attempt to exerice your self sovereignty that harms nobody else... the use of physical violence will be brought to bear on you by government employees. They have the guns, the courts... the prisons.

The US is the world's largest basketcase of hypocrisy. Everyone says "land of the free"... but reality proves otherwise. Many on this forum for some reason can not or will not acknowledge that government is the problem, not the solution. Those who continue to support government in any manner (support the police, the troops, etc.) perpetuate the growth of government and ensure the infringement of liberty. Straddling the fence supporting one entity of government while decrying the actions of another is nothing but hypocrisy at it's finest.

What you're espousing is anarchy via absolutism. Absolutism leaves no room for societal norms or codification of societal violations. Everyone suffers under your utopian view of a perfectly free world. Humans are flawed creatures and incapable of perfect behavior. The only way you'll ever get what you want is self-imposed isolation. I'd contend that you have no right to expect other humans to consider you so highly.

 

[dutchwrangler]

What you're espousing is anarchy via absolutism. Absolutism leaves no room for societal norms or codification of societal violations. Everyone suffers under your utopian view of a perfectly free world. Humans are flawed creatures and incapable of perfect behavior. The only way you'll ever get what you want is self-imposed isolation. I'd contend that you have no right to expect other humans to consider you so highly.

I espouse anarcho-capitalism. There is nothing government does that the market can't do better. Giving government the monopoly on force never works long term. We're seeing that today as the socialist/religious utopia perpetuated by the state grows.

 

[Glocktogo]

I espouse anarcho-capitalism. There is nothing government does that the market can't do better. Giving government the monopoly on force never works long term. We're seeing that today as the socialist/religious utopia perpetuated by the state grows.

So you're espousing private police forces to protect business interests? You're right, there is nothing government does that the market can't do better, including the destruction of this country. The only thing worse than government in control or market in control, is market in control while in collusion with the government, which is what we have currently.

I agree that we need more libertarian policies in this country. In equal doses, we need better civics. Would anarcho-capitalism work in America? Only if the civics of the populace ran VERY deep and VERY strong. It doesn't, so your ideology is as much a utopian logical fallacy as communism.

 

[Double Tap]

Well you started the argument, so you should know!

Seriously, you don't know me at all. If you actually knew me, you'd know that I don't put up with the type of S#%T you say you walked away from. I never spent a single second in a locker and I never put anyone there either. I don't take any S#%T and I don't give any S#%T, because I'm not in the S#%T business!

I haven't answered your question because you keep circling, but you've yet to ask a valid one. Feel free to make all the inferences you like, it won't help you one bit. Neither will doing the [Broken External Image] dance with all your Nazi/Hitler/Gestapo crap. That's a crutch for people with no valid argument. You're the one that started with the hyperbole and I called you on it.

And you're 100% correct about winning an internet argument. That's why I'M still in the game. You benched yourself by your own admission. So if winning an internet argument makes me a retard, what does that make someone who loses an internet argument?

Didn't lose just refuse to start playing the insult game with you or anyone else. I was trying to have an intelligent conversation, in the real world it’s called a debate. You had to go down the road of personal attacks and show you are in fact a retard. I sign my post with my real name, and I’m not hard to find. See if you attacked me personally like that in the real world, I’d put you on your ass. Don’t go talking trash any more, you got something to say, be a man and come say it to my face. I know, I know your about to tell me how big and bad you are and how you’ll make short work of me, blah, blah, blah… skip it and just show me. All I have to say to you waterhead.

 

[dutchwrangler]

So you're espousing private police forces to protect business interests? You're right, there is nothing government does that the market can't do better, including the destruction of this country. The only thing worse than government in control or market in control, is market in control while in collusion with the government, which is what we have currently.

I agree that we need more libertarian policies in this country. In equal doses, we need better civics. Would anarcho-capitalism work in America? Only if the civics of the populace ran VERY deep and VERY strong. It doesn't, so your ideology is as much a utopian logical fallacy as communism.

My ideology is utopian as does the current socialist/conservative ideology that permeates US society.

 

[Glocktogo]

Didn't lose just refuse to start playing the insult game with you or anyone else. I was trying to have an intelligent conversation, in the real world it’s called a debate. You had to go down the road of personal attacks and show you are in fact a retard. I sign my post with my real name, and I’m not hard to find. See if you attacked me personally like that in the real world, I’d put you on your ass. Don’t go talking trash any more, you got something to say, be a man and come say it to my face. I know, I know your about to tell me how big and bad you are and how you’ll make short work of me, blah, blah, blah… skip it and just show me. All I have to say to you waterhead.

You're the one that implied that curent cops (me) and federal agents (me) are gestapo, nazi's, etc., so you very much started an insult game you couldn't possibly win (because you are wrong). You're a newb displaying classic passive-aggressive behaviors on a forum where you don't know the members and don't understand the dynamics in play. You were not debating because the tactics you were attempting to use (which I refuted) are universally discredited as intellectually dishonest. And now you've violated forum rules. Feel free to retract your personal insults if you're man enough and I'll let you off the hook on everything else. We can walk away in disagreement.

 

[Glocktogo]

My ideology is utopian as does the current socialist/conservative ideology that permeates US society.

So why replace one failed ideology with another one destined to fail before it ever starts?