ATF is at it again

[Fredkrueger100]

https://gunowners.org/na03262020/
Im sure you haven’t forgot about this. Well the atf didn’t listen to anything we said the first time. They won’t listen this time either. See folks, this is yet another reason why we WILL end up disarmed. Because a rogue agency like the ATF is able to do whatever they want with no repercussions. They are setting things up to track guns so the government can create a registry in the future. We all know what comes next after that. These people will never stop until they achieve their goal.

 

[cjjtulsa]

We can bellyache and threaten all we want - they'll do whatever they damned well please, just like every other legal and illegal entity of our government. Like voting for the most part, "accepting comments" is just an exercise in the illusion of a citizen-controlled government. We'd have been less oppressed by the King, at this point.

 

[swampratt]

If someone has access to 1 piece of paper to scan I would think 2 pieces of paper to scan would not be much more difficult.

 

[PJM]

If someone has access to 1 piece of paper to scan I would think 2 pieces of paper to scan would not be much more difficult.

The problem is not with the scanning of these pieces of paper. The problem is that once they are scanned they transformed into an editable database form, using the unified database structure that the government has adopted. That means that your SS records, your health records, your criminal records, your health insurance records, your banking records, your tax records, your military records, and now your gun purchases are all available in the same database format. The field for your name in any of these databases is the same field in any of the other databases. So they can transfer or collate data from one or all into a single record on you. Apply that to all the info in these databases and I think your begin to see what the problem really is. You do not even have to give them any more information and they will instantly have a gun registration with all the other info tied to it that is in these databases. I know this because I worked in healthcare I.T. when they were incorporating health records into this system. So before people go shooting their mouths off about how this is impossible and our gov would NEVER do anything like this, stop and consider what it would take to accomplish this, then think about what info on you is already in these systems that can share and collate data across themselves.

 

[BobbyV]

They would actually need to get copies of all 4473s . . . is that something that is also being discussed and I just missed it?

 

[swampratt]

I do not feel any of your personal information is secure 100% no matter what.
Look at the banks that got hacked and other things that had your secure personal information hacked.

If you do not want that information out there then buy used from individuals pay cash.
That is the best way to avoid any information getting out there.
If you fill out any piece of paper with your information on it with a company that sticks it into a computer you are at risk.

Are 4473 forms not stuck into a database already.

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

https://gunowners.org/na03262020/
Im sure you haven’t forgot about this. Well the atf didn’t listen to anything we said the first time. They won’t listen this time either. See folks, this is yet another reason why we WILL end up disarmed. Because a rogue agency like the ATF is able to do whatever they want with no repercussions. They are setting things up to track guns so the government can create a registry in the future. We all know what comes next after that. These people will never stop until they achieve their goal.

If it is their goal to go to war with the people, then yes, they are on the right track.

Woody

 

[Fredkrueger100]

If it is their goal to go to war with the people, then yes, they are on the right track.

Woody

The problem is that the government knows we won’t go to war with them. No matter what they do we just allow it. The most that happens is people complain and maybe get together and have a rally. That ain’t gonna cut it. Our founders didn’t just run their mouths and rally. They formed up and made their request to the king and he ignored them. So our founders said enough. That’s what it’s gonna take from us. And it seems that won’t ever happen. People continue to believe that voting and such is the answer. Illegals are pouring in by the millions and our counties just lets it happen. Everything is in motion for this country to collapse. But people think Trump is the savior of America and everything is fine. When Trump is gone, that’s when we will really see this country go down. Because he is the last republican president we will ever have.

 

[BReeves]

The problem is that the government knows we won’t go to war with them. No matter what they do we just allow it. The most that happens is people complain and maybe get together and have a rally. That ain’t gonna cut it. Our founders didn’t just run their mouths and rally. They formed up and made their request to the king and he ignored them. So our founders said enough. That’s what it’s gonna take from us. And it seems that won’t ever happen. People continue to believe that voting and such is the answer. Illegals are pouring in by the millions and our counties just lets it happen. Everything is in motion for this country to collapse. But people think Trump is the savior of America and everything is fine. When Trump is gone, that’s when we will really see this country go down. Because he is the last republican president we will ever have.

I would hate to be living life with your attitude and beliefs, must be tough.

 

[2busy]

They have or will get all the 4473's. What do you think happens when a business closes. All the 4473's get sent to the ATF. Do you actually think that they are destroying them.