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<blockquote data-quote="bettingpython" data-source="post: 1375390" data-attributes="member: 4307"><p>S&W j frame to back up either a 1911 or XD, 2 spare mags for the primary carry plaform. A coye ridgeback and a folding knife.</p><p></p><p>The esteemed MB makes solid points about knives being hand assist tools, fine motor control and accuracy goes out the window in high adrenalin stress situations the precision necessary to work your way up an arm cutting tendons etc. goes out the window for most people, gross motor control movements are much easier to teach and train into people, and when adrenalin fueled are more than sufficient to complete the dirty work that needs to be done.</p><p></p><p>I could take a rank amateur and train them to survive the fight with simplistic skills in a relatively short time when I actively trained and taught for a JKD school in Tulsa, the esoteric fine motor control skill set of a long time classically trained martial artist looks good in the dojo and in tournaments but when your life is on the line you need the fastest most effective shock and awe attacks to be your go too tools to survive.</p><p></p><p>My first wife and I were mugged many years ago(1991) under the bridge leading to the parking area for Octoberfest, I don't remember how many attackers their were (she said 4) 2 attacked her and 2 jumped me, one wound up pulling off of her and clocking me in the back of the head with a pipe.</p><p></p><p>I was covered in blood from head to toe, none of it mine, my kabar was missing and none of the assailants was ever found to have gone to an emergency room with knife wounds so I assume my training and skills at the time were ineffective to fully end the threat even though according to her from what she could see I was ripping through them with the knife bad enough that 2 of them disengaged and I was taken out by a third that I tried to engage but failed to get to in time.</p><p></p><p>Been their and done that with a knife and multiple opponents and I consider a concussion and loss of memory to be a very hard lesson and light punishment for having on an ineffective skill set. To this day the only thing I remember is my Ex asking me if I was okay as we were sitting at a vendors table at the Octoberfest grounds waiting on the police.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bettingpython, post: 1375390, member: 4307"] S&W j frame to back up either a 1911 or XD, 2 spare mags for the primary carry plaform. A coye ridgeback and a folding knife. The esteemed MB makes solid points about knives being hand assist tools, fine motor control and accuracy goes out the window in high adrenalin stress situations the precision necessary to work your way up an arm cutting tendons etc. goes out the window for most people, gross motor control movements are much easier to teach and train into people, and when adrenalin fueled are more than sufficient to complete the dirty work that needs to be done. I could take a rank amateur and train them to survive the fight with simplistic skills in a relatively short time when I actively trained and taught for a JKD school in Tulsa, the esoteric fine motor control skill set of a long time classically trained martial artist looks good in the dojo and in tournaments but when your life is on the line you need the fastest most effective shock and awe attacks to be your go too tools to survive. My first wife and I were mugged many years ago(1991) under the bridge leading to the parking area for Octoberfest, I don't remember how many attackers their were (she said 4) 2 attacked her and 2 jumped me, one wound up pulling off of her and clocking me in the back of the head with a pipe. I was covered in blood from head to toe, none of it mine, my kabar was missing and none of the assailants was ever found to have gone to an emergency room with knife wounds so I assume my training and skills at the time were ineffective to fully end the threat even though according to her from what she could see I was ripping through them with the knife bad enough that 2 of them disengaged and I was taken out by a third that I tried to engage but failed to get to in time. Been their and done that with a knife and multiple opponents and I consider a concussion and loss of memory to be a very hard lesson and light punishment for having on an ineffective skill set. To this day the only thing I remember is my Ex asking me if I was okay as we were sitting at a vendors table at the Octoberfest grounds waiting on the police. [/QUOTE]
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