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<blockquote data-quote="BillM" data-source="post: 3910198" data-attributes="member: 45785"><p>My double cousins (first and second cousins) had a mom who was really strict. Controlled who their friends were, what music they listened to, what time they were home on both school and non-school nights, etc. Told my mom, her sister, that my brother and I were going to hang we were so bad. She wound up with three of four serious druggies, multiple arrests/convictions/imprisonments, etc., and one straight-A student and gainfully employed with no legal or social problems. My mom got two of three who didn't get into more trouble than they could handle, two who retired from the military after at least 20 years of service, and one who got into drugs, and some trouble, but minor and no jail time. Strict parenting is not the answer. Nor is more liberal parenting. Consistent parenting might be the key, but I couldn't prove it. That set of cousins went wild when they got out from under Aunt E's thumb. The bookends were the least trouble, with the oldest being a lot of trouble, many children out of wedlock, but no jail time... Middle two went off the charts! Last I heard, all were still alive, somehow, eldest settled down and straightened out, and a good parent. Youngest AFAIK doesn't have any children, but we've been out of touch for over a decade, so I could be wrong. I'm the eldest of my batch, and could have gotten into a lot of trouble, but lucked out a bit. My mom and step mom were the ones who got in trouble in their early lives, both with my dad. They made sure I knew what was what, and what was important, so I didn't screw things up completely. None of mine have ever been in jail, but they're mid-twenties to early 30's. I guess they still have some time to mess up.</p><p></p><p>One of the ancient kings told his captors as they were planning his execution, them having mentioned how lucky he'd been, "Count no man lucky until he is dead." Way I see it, count no parent lucky until all their kids are all grown up and out having good lives after the parent dies. </p><p></p><p>Stitt is not my favorite governor. Not my least favorite, either. His kid is in the National Guard, and I'm sure they'll have some things to say to him about having guns in a case thrown in the back of his truck... </p><p></p><p>Neither count as lucky yet, either. Personally, I figure if we can arm them, and train them to defend the country at 18, they should be able to drink at that age. I did. Turned 18 just after the age of majority was dropped from 21. Report says he was under the influence, but not drunk. And he had to know that admitting to being the governor's son was going to get him more grief on the spot, but might have looked like a coverup if he hadn't admitted it, so I don't see where he had a choice. Unless maybe it was going home and putting his guns away and not going out that night...</p><p></p><p>Which he'd already made the wrong choice there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BillM, post: 3910198, member: 45785"] My double cousins (first and second cousins) had a mom who was really strict. Controlled who their friends were, what music they listened to, what time they were home on both school and non-school nights, etc. Told my mom, her sister, that my brother and I were going to hang we were so bad. She wound up with three of four serious druggies, multiple arrests/convictions/imprisonments, etc., and one straight-A student and gainfully employed with no legal or social problems. My mom got two of three who didn't get into more trouble than they could handle, two who retired from the military after at least 20 years of service, and one who got into drugs, and some trouble, but minor and no jail time. Strict parenting is not the answer. Nor is more liberal parenting. Consistent parenting might be the key, but I couldn't prove it. That set of cousins went wild when they got out from under Aunt E's thumb. The bookends were the least trouble, with the oldest being a lot of trouble, many children out of wedlock, but no jail time... Middle two went off the charts! Last I heard, all were still alive, somehow, eldest settled down and straightened out, and a good parent. Youngest AFAIK doesn't have any children, but we've been out of touch for over a decade, so I could be wrong. I'm the eldest of my batch, and could have gotten into a lot of trouble, but lucked out a bit. My mom and step mom were the ones who got in trouble in their early lives, both with my dad. They made sure I knew what was what, and what was important, so I didn't screw things up completely. None of mine have ever been in jail, but they're mid-twenties to early 30's. I guess they still have some time to mess up. One of the ancient kings told his captors as they were planning his execution, them having mentioned how lucky he'd been, "Count no man lucky until he is dead." Way I see it, count no parent lucky until all their kids are all grown up and out having good lives after the parent dies. Stitt is not my favorite governor. Not my least favorite, either. His kid is in the National Guard, and I'm sure they'll have some things to say to him about having guns in a case thrown in the back of his truck... Neither count as lucky yet, either. Personally, I figure if we can arm them, and train them to defend the country at 18, they should be able to drink at that age. I did. Turned 18 just after the age of majority was dropped from 21. Report says he was under the influence, but not drunk. And he had to know that admitting to being the governor's son was going to get him more grief on the spot, but might have looked like a coverup if he hadn't admitted it, so I don't see where he had a choice. Unless maybe it was going home and putting his guns away and not going out that night... Which he'd already made the wrong choice there. [/QUOTE]
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