Benedict Arnold Revisited: Pennsylvania Republican Pushing Ban on Private Gun Sales

[Dave70968]

Can you show me in the Republican platform where they show a decision to go after gun control

Nope. This story--among others--shows it in their actions, though. If you want to believe in their platform instead of their actions, go ahead; I outgrew fairy tales long ago.

If you are interested in producing an honest discussion, you would post the democratic position on gun control and defend it.

...what are you on about? I never said the Democrats are our friends; this has nothing to do with the Democrats. I've said--more times than I care to count--that "both" parties are authoritarian bastards who will happily sell out your rights to enhance their own power. And, from this story--among others--I'd say "Q.E.D."

 

[dennishoddy]

Nope. This story--among others--shows it in their actions, though. If you want to believe in their platform instead of their actions, go ahead; I outgrew fairy tales long ago.

...what are you on about? I never said the Democrats are our friends; this has nothing to do with the Democrats. I've said--more times than I care to count--that "both" parties are authoritarian bastards who will happily sell out your rights to enhance their own power. And, from this story--among others--I'd say "Q.E.D."

Yet you constantly take the liberal position while in this post say "we" in the republican response.
You have still not said what you disagree with in the Republican platform about gun control, while saying it "shows it in their actions".
You really need to elaborate on "their actions".

 

[Dave70968]

Yet you constantly take the liberal position while in this post say "we" in the republican response.
You have still not said what you disagree with in the Republican platform about gun control, while saying it "shows it in their actions".
You really need to elaborate on "their actions".

1) If I take a "liberal position," it's classical liberal, not leftist, and I'll claim that one proudly. I didn't say "we" anywhere in this thread; I did say "our" side, but that was a reference to us as gun owners, not Republicans.
2) I don't know if I have a problem with the platform or not (though I probably will, in that it doesn't call for enough repeal of existing law); frankly, I haven't read it lately, nor do I need to. This thread is about the actions of Republican elected officials.
3) The action in this case a call for a ban on private sales. I don't care if that's in the platform, not addressed, or explicitly opposed in the platform; it simply isn't relevant. If the ban passes, I can't go buy privately, get arrested, and then argue at my trial that "well, their platform said differently!" It's as irrelevant as the price of tea in China to what the law actually ends up being; that's controlled by what they advocate for, introduce in the legislature, and pass. This arse bandit has clearly called for the ban, which tells me that even if he doesn't actually introduce a bill, he's sure not likely to vote against it.

 

[RugersGR8]

As I have stated before, there are some RINO(lib dem socialist wannabes such as Pennsylvania State Rep. Jamie Santora (R-163)) that sell out. Here was my response to that:

May 21, 2017
https://www.okshooters.com/threads/...apons-ban-language.243418/page-2#post-2989566

IMHO, every time that some draconian, gun grabbing/hating, anti-2nd Amendment, anti-gun ownership, Bravo Sierra piece of legislation(local, state, national levels) rears it's ugly head, it is either authored, co-authored, sponsored, etc. by members of the leftist's party. I admit that there a some RINO socialist wannabes going along with it, but overwhelmingly it is the left that pushes and advances this type of legislation. I also admit that there are some on the left that fight this type of legislation, but they are a very small minority. When the leaders of the left put heavy pressure on these people, I won't hold my breath as to find out which way that they will vote on lib dem anti-2nd Amendment agenda advancement legislation.

I will take Republicans over lib dem anti-2nd Amendment gun grabbers/haters 100% of the time.

 

[gerhard1]

As I have stated before, there are some RINO(lib dem socialist wannabes such as Pennsylvania State Rep. Jamie Santora (R-163)) that sell out. Here was my response to that:

May 21, 2017
https://www.okshooters.com/threads/...apons-ban-language.243418/page-2#post-2989566

IMHO, every time that some draconian, gun grabbing/hating, anti-2nd Amendment, anti-gun ownership, Bravo Sierra piece of legislation(local, state, national levels) rears it's ugly head, it is either authored, co-authored, sponsored, etc. by members of the leftist's party. I admit that there a some RINO socialist wannabes going along with it, but overwhelmingly it is the left that pushes and advances this type of legislation. I also admit that there are some on the left that fight this type of legislation, but they are a very small minority. When the leaders of the left put heavy pressure on these people, I won't hold my breath as to find out which way that they will vote on lib dem anti-2nd Amendment agenda advancement legislation.

I will take Republicans over lib dem anti-2nd Amendment gun grabbers/haters 100% of the time.

Why does it need to be pointed out that in general, the GOP is more pro-gun than the Democrats? Sure, individual exceptions can be found such as this gentleman from Pennsylvania, but the Democrats are the worst gun-grabbers by far.

And, as has been pointed out already, whose platform calls for more restrictions on our 2A rights? The Democrats.

 

[Glocktogo]

Why does it need to be pointed out that in general, the GOP is more pro-gun than the Democrats? Sure, individual exceptions can be found such as this gentleman from Pennsylvania, but the Democrats are the worst gun-grabbers by far.

And, as has been pointed out already, whose platform calls for more restrictions on our 2A rights? The Democrats.

It has to be pointed out because some people equate disparate things. Statistically speaking, infringements of the 2nd Amendment originating from the Democrat side are exponentially greater than those originating from the GOP. Yet they equate the two because stating that some GOP'ers are morons like their lefty brethren, means they're not a friend of the 2nd Amendment.

This would be an example of anecdotal fallacy. If you're going to generalize, then you'd have to generalize that the GOP is 2A friendly and the Dems are anti-2A. That would exclude Blue Dog Dems and booger eaters like this PA clown though.

 

[Dave70968]

Why does it need to be pointed out that in general, the GOP is more pro-gun than the Democrats? Sure, individual exceptions can be found such as this gentleman from Pennsylvania, but the Democrats are the worst gun-grabbers by far.

And, as has been pointed out already, whose platform calls for more restrictions on our 2A rights? The Democrats.

Because history has shown that the GOP isn't truly pro-gun as a matter of principle, merely as a matter of convenience; they'll sell us out the moment they think it'll benefit them. Remember, GWB offered to sign an extension of the AWB; other examples abound.

I'm not saying that they're not a better bet most of the time, just that I don't trust them any further than I can comfortably spit a rat.

 

[Seadog]

My 2c

Republican politician= good gun protection rights 95% of the time
Democrat politician= flawed mentally, anti traditionalist American, divisionist, progressive, commie, socialist, gun hating 100% of the time

 

[Dave70968]

My 2c

Republican politician= good gun protection rights 95% of the time
Democrat politician= flawed mentally, anti traditionalist American, divisionist, progressive, commie, socialist, gun hating 100% of the time

If that's 2¢ worth, you owe us change.

You're so closed-minded that you're going to shoot yourself in the foot. You need to A) consider individuals, not labels, and B) not assume people are "mentally flawed," "commie," "[anything] 100% of the time." From what you just said, you appear to be the poster boy for "non-thinking [or low-information] voter," because there's apparently no information that would get you to think differently about a candidate.

 

[Glocktogo]

If that's 2¢ worth, you owe us change.

You're so closed-minded that you're going to shoot yourself in the foot. You need to A) consider individuals, not labels, and B) not assume people are "mentally flawed," "commie," "[anything] 100% of the time." From what you just said, you appear to be the poster boy for "non-thinking [or low-information] voter," because there's apparently no information that would get you to think differently about a candidate.

You just spent this thread generalizing the GOP as sellouts on the 2A when it's convenient, and now you're chastising someone else for making generalizations?

Mind the plank sir.