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Billionaire's gift eliminates student loan debt for 396 students.
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<blockquote data-quote="donner" data-source="post: 3237144" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>Let's see if we can't tackle these in order. </p><p></p><p>1) consolidation is political in many places. Take Mississippi. We have far too many colleges for our population, but many are historical black schools from the segregation era. It's hard to talk about closing them since they still serve a majority minority population. And few legislators want to close the school they attended, so you have too many schools competing for a shrinking piece of the pie.</p><p></p><p>2) Why are schools to blame for the loans that students choose to take out, exactly? Seems like what the students really need is a parent or better education about the risks and such. Or perhaps a better understanding of their financial prospects coming out of college. (i don't think it's the schools that are telling them to expect a starting pay of high five-figures with just a bachelors. Managed expectations should fall to many people.</p><p></p><p>3) (regarding earlier discussions), how many classes a person teaches has a number of moving parts (as was noted, several times). Are they an instructor, tenure track, full professor? What field are they in and where are they teaching? What are the tenure standards they are working to meet (again, many places don't 'reward' you for being a good teacher.'). What kind of contract did the person negotiate when hired. What kind of 'deal' might they have worked out with the boss. Etc, etc. </p><p></p><p>Running a lab can get someone out of a class. Same for service jobs like being the director of graduate studies for the department or other such things. And some of the work is, my it's nature, not something that lends itself to having a lot to show at the end of any given day. My wife might spend all of her work time gathering, creating and fixing a data set before she even has a chance to start writing her paper. Not a lot to point to and say 'this is what i did today' there. And while it might not happen between 9 and 5, there have been many many days where she opens her laptop at 8 pm and closes it at midnight (or on vacation, or while we are driving somewhere). Just because it doesn't happen in a classroom, or even in her office, doesn't mean she isn't working. </p><p></p><p>And i'm guessing my GP or dentist doesn't work as hard compared to a laborer, burger flipper, or many others, but then again, they put the time in a while ago to get to that spot. Same for a lot of professors i've met.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="donner, post: 3237144, member: 277"] Let's see if we can't tackle these in order. 1) consolidation is political in many places. Take Mississippi. We have far too many colleges for our population, but many are historical black schools from the segregation era. It's hard to talk about closing them since they still serve a majority minority population. And few legislators want to close the school they attended, so you have too many schools competing for a shrinking piece of the pie. 2) Why are schools to blame for the loans that students choose to take out, exactly? Seems like what the students really need is a parent or better education about the risks and such. Or perhaps a better understanding of their financial prospects coming out of college. (i don't think it's the schools that are telling them to expect a starting pay of high five-figures with just a bachelors. Managed expectations should fall to many people. 3) (regarding earlier discussions), how many classes a person teaches has a number of moving parts (as was noted, several times). Are they an instructor, tenure track, full professor? What field are they in and where are they teaching? What are the tenure standards they are working to meet (again, many places don't 'reward' you for being a good teacher.'). What kind of contract did the person negotiate when hired. What kind of 'deal' might they have worked out with the boss. Etc, etc. Running a lab can get someone out of a class. Same for service jobs like being the director of graduate studies for the department or other such things. And some of the work is, my it's nature, not something that lends itself to having a lot to show at the end of any given day. My wife might spend all of her work time gathering, creating and fixing a data set before she even has a chance to start writing her paper. Not a lot to point to and say 'this is what i did today' there. And while it might not happen between 9 and 5, there have been many many days where she opens her laptop at 8 pm and closes it at midnight (or on vacation, or while we are driving somewhere). Just because it doesn't happen in a classroom, or even in her office, doesn't mean she isn't working. And i'm guessing my GP or dentist doesn't work as hard compared to a laborer, burger flipper, or many others, but then again, they put the time in a while ago to get to that spot. Same for a lot of professors i've met. [/QUOTE]
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