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<blockquote data-quote="J.P." data-source="post: 696768" data-attributes="member: 6"><p>Very nice review, thanks for posting!</p><p>It looks like you've covered just about everything that anyone would want to know about.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]66644[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Previously I looked into one of their appendix carry setups but I decided against it,mainly for comfort reasons.</p><p>I haven't actually tried one on, but I do have experience with at least a half-a-dozen Kydex brands and for me they just don't work out too well for appendix carry with the size guns I use. Although the Raven is super thin, the reality is that you still have a hard piece of plastic pushing into your leg when sitting....depending on gun size and how you position it of course.</p><p>Leather has proven to be much more forgiving in that regard.</p><p>I'm know there are others who <em>can</em> make the Kydex pieces work in that position tho'.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, these look like another great alternative especially for 3:00 or later carry, and thanks again for the very informative review. <img src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumb:" title="Thumb :thumb:" data-shortname=":thumb:" /></p><p></p><p>EDIT:</p><p>I wanted to also mention something else about concealment/detection which I feel is important......</p><p>In your pics you've shown what the gun looks like under less than ideal concealment garments and even what to expect after bending at the waist, etc.</p><p>However, one thing we should also keep in mind is that still pics <em>can</em> be very misleading in regards to what will/won't conceal well. Aside from extremes suxh as: bending, reaching, stretching, etc., your regular nomal movement is also responsible for how well your gun conceals. What I mean is that watching someone walk or just carry through with regular movements will tell a different story than still pics will depending on how your clothing reacts to the gun/holster.</p><p>Some outfits will easily slide off of the grip appearing natural while others can hang up at times and give you away.</p><p>I've found that rubber grips,particularly the softer ones, are the worst offenders for snagging your shirt and causing the gun's butt to print. </p><p>Obviously length, girth, and shape of the grip can influence this as well, so you just have to do a bit of experimenting.</p><p></p><p>One thing that I'm glad you noten in the review was that the holster allowed ample room to obtain a full grip on the gun.</p><p>It seems that often people look to holsters which bury the gun deep in the waistband in an effort to gain maximum concealment...which is fine in certain circumstances like extreme deep cover or maybe lower risk situations.</p><p>However, if your everyday carry holster doesn't afford you access to a full fighting grip on your gun, it is putting you and a marked disadvantage and that is something that you should be aware of.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J.P., post: 696768, member: 6"] Very nice review, thanks for posting! It looks like you've covered just about everything that anyone would want to know about. [attach=full]66644[/attach] Previously I looked into one of their appendix carry setups but I decided against it,mainly for comfort reasons. I haven't actually tried one on, but I do have experience with at least a half-a-dozen Kydex brands and for me they just don't work out too well for appendix carry with the size guns I use. Although the Raven is super thin, the reality is that you still have a hard piece of plastic pushing into your leg when sitting....depending on gun size and how you position it of course. Leather has proven to be much more forgiving in that regard. I'm know there are others who [I]can[/I] make the Kydex pieces work in that position tho'. Anyway, these look like another great alternative especially for 3:00 or later carry, and thanks again for the very informative review. :thumb: EDIT: I wanted to also mention something else about concealment/detection which I feel is important...... In your pics you've shown what the gun looks like under less than ideal concealment garments and even what to expect after bending at the waist, etc. However, one thing we should also keep in mind is that still pics [I]can[/I] be very misleading in regards to what will/won't conceal well. Aside from extremes suxh as: bending, reaching, stretching, etc., your regular nomal movement is also responsible for how well your gun conceals. What I mean is that watching someone walk or just carry through with regular movements will tell a different story than still pics will depending on how your clothing reacts to the gun/holster. Some outfits will easily slide off of the grip appearing natural while others can hang up at times and give you away. I've found that rubber grips,particularly the softer ones, are the worst offenders for snagging your shirt and causing the gun's butt to print. Obviously length, girth, and shape of the grip can influence this as well, so you just have to do a bit of experimenting. One thing that I'm glad you noten in the review was that the holster allowed ample room to obtain a full grip on the gun. It seems that often people look to holsters which bury the gun deep in the waistband in an effort to gain maximum concealment...which is fine in certain circumstances like extreme deep cover or maybe lower risk situations. However, if your everyday carry holster doesn't afford you access to a full fighting grip on your gun, it is putting you and a marked disadvantage and that is something that you should be aware of. [/QUOTE]
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