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<blockquote data-quote="71buickfreak" data-source="post: 2227285" data-attributes="member: 8373"><p>When it comes to light, I find the 5Dm3 and the 6D are friggin' incredible in the upper ISOs. In my shop, I run my 5D3 up to 16000 (yes, 3 zeros!) and still get magazine quality shots without noise. It is damn impressive. My T1i can't go above 1600 without getting noisy. I hate running a flash, I only use a flash when I absolutely have to. Car parts don't cooperate with flashes, no matter how you set them up. External lights don't work well for me either, as it is tough to get an umbrella under a dash...</p><p></p><p>For the money, starting out, I would probably buy a used 60D and some L glass. If you have $2600, you get a new 6D kit with the 24-105 L lens, which is on my camera right now. Other major difference between the rebel and pro series- weight. The rebels and crop lenses are lighter, so it is easy to carry around. My 5D3 with the 24-105 weighs about 5 pounds, my 70-200 telephoto weighs 5 pounds by itself. </p><p></p><p>If you are not going to be making money with it or you a serious photog hobbyist, I say start with something like a 60D and a nice general use lens. Get used to it and then step up when you outgrow that camera. The most important piece of photography equipment is the 6 inches behind the viewfinder (that's you brain for the slow ones). A good photographer can make a cheap camera look great, but a great camera won't elevate your skill, in fact, it makes it look worse. For the 5d/6d bodies, I actually don't like the auto features. I run mine full manual, but if I need to hand it to the wife or one of my techs to grab a shot, it always focuses on the wrong thing because you can't control the autofocus in full auto mode. The rebel series are much better in the regard, as most of them are kept in auto mode. I suggest running your camera in auto for real photos and switch to manual for learning and practice until you get the hang of it. No sense blowing the one shot to get your kid's first smile because you had the wrong shutter speed. Both series of cameras do video. In fact, the 5D/6D are being used in major film production all over the world, they are that good. </p><p></p><p>Another note, the 5D/6D series DO NOT have a built in flash at all, so you have to have an external if you want to use one. I have a Canon 430Ex, but I like I said, I rarely use it, but it's better have and not need than to need and not have. </p><p></p><p>You can learn a lot more at DPreview.com for gear reviews and <a href="http://photography-on-the.net/" target="_blank">http://photography-on-the.net/</a> I buy a lot of used gear off that forum, it is an excellent resource. Plus, you can find hacks for the camera software. I took my original 10D (about 8 years ago), ran some hacked software off that site and opened it up to do so much more. Canon tends to dumb down their new cameras by locking the software. These guys go in, unlock the features and it makes them capable of features from the next one or 2 cameras in the lineup. Just a thought. I usually only do that after the warranty is up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="71buickfreak, post: 2227285, member: 8373"] When it comes to light, I find the 5Dm3 and the 6D are friggin' incredible in the upper ISOs. In my shop, I run my 5D3 up to 16000 (yes, 3 zeros!) and still get magazine quality shots without noise. It is damn impressive. My T1i can't go above 1600 without getting noisy. I hate running a flash, I only use a flash when I absolutely have to. Car parts don't cooperate with flashes, no matter how you set them up. External lights don't work well for me either, as it is tough to get an umbrella under a dash... For the money, starting out, I would probably buy a used 60D and some L glass. If you have $2600, you get a new 6D kit with the 24-105 L lens, which is on my camera right now. Other major difference between the rebel and pro series- weight. The rebels and crop lenses are lighter, so it is easy to carry around. My 5D3 with the 24-105 weighs about 5 pounds, my 70-200 telephoto weighs 5 pounds by itself. If you are not going to be making money with it or you a serious photog hobbyist, I say start with something like a 60D and a nice general use lens. Get used to it and then step up when you outgrow that camera. The most important piece of photography equipment is the 6 inches behind the viewfinder (that's you brain for the slow ones). A good photographer can make a cheap camera look great, but a great camera won't elevate your skill, in fact, it makes it look worse. For the 5d/6d bodies, I actually don't like the auto features. I run mine full manual, but if I need to hand it to the wife or one of my techs to grab a shot, it always focuses on the wrong thing because you can't control the autofocus in full auto mode. The rebel series are much better in the regard, as most of them are kept in auto mode. I suggest running your camera in auto for real photos and switch to manual for learning and practice until you get the hang of it. No sense blowing the one shot to get your kid's first smile because you had the wrong shutter speed. Both series of cameras do video. In fact, the 5D/6D are being used in major film production all over the world, they are that good. Another note, the 5D/6D series DO NOT have a built in flash at all, so you have to have an external if you want to use one. I have a Canon 430Ex, but I like I said, I rarely use it, but it's better have and not need than to need and not have. You can learn a lot more at DPreview.com for gear reviews and [url]http://photography-on-the.net/[/url] I buy a lot of used gear off that forum, it is an excellent resource. Plus, you can find hacks for the camera software. I took my original 10D (about 8 years ago), ran some hacked software off that site and opened it up to do so much more. Canon tends to dumb down their new cameras by locking the software. These guys go in, unlock the features and it makes them capable of features from the next one or 2 cameras in the lineup. Just a thought. I usually only do that after the warranty is up. [/QUOTE]
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