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<blockquote data-quote="SMS" data-source="post: 2807840" data-attributes="member: 42"><p>What you've taught is irrelevant. Being a run of the mill lawyer doesn't impress anyone in regards to the discussion. I can open a phone book and find legions of you.</p><p></p><p>Do you have a concealed carry permit? The Constitution says you don't need one...even though state law requires it. Do you carry under the authority of the Constitution and get all lawyery and tough with any cop who asks for your permit? Do you fulfill your "duty to inform" and willingly provide information to an LEO that you would not be otherwise required to in other situations? That could be construed as a violation of a host of Constitutional rights.</p><p></p><p>If you have a permit and you inform then you just have a different level of comfort when it comes to putting up with violation of your rights, so layoff the "I'm a ram and you are sheep" b.s.</p><p></p><p>I get the point that Oklahoma statute may seem to indicate cops have no authority to disarm, but surely as a man of the law you know about the existing case law, including Supreme Court cases, and precedence that seems to allow for the override of that, temporarily, for officer safety.</p><p></p><p>My entire point is that I, me, would not fight that battle on the roadside incident to my violation of traffic law. If I felt inclined, I would address it after the fact where cooler heads have a better chance of prevailing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SMS, post: 2807840, member: 42"] What you've taught is irrelevant. Being a run of the mill lawyer doesn't impress anyone in regards to the discussion. I can open a phone book and find legions of you. Do you have a concealed carry permit? The Constitution says you don't need one...even though state law requires it. Do you carry under the authority of the Constitution and get all lawyery and tough with any cop who asks for your permit? Do you fulfill your "duty to inform" and willingly provide information to an LEO that you would not be otherwise required to in other situations? That could be construed as a violation of a host of Constitutional rights. If you have a permit and you inform then you just have a different level of comfort when it comes to putting up with violation of your rights, so layoff the "I'm a ram and you are sheep" b.s. I get the point that Oklahoma statute may seem to indicate cops have no authority to disarm, but surely as a man of the law you know about the existing case law, including Supreme Court cases, and precedence that seems to allow for the override of that, temporarily, for officer safety. My entire point is that I, me, would not fight that battle on the roadside incident to my violation of traffic law. If I felt inclined, I would address it after the fact where cooler heads have a better chance of prevailing. [/QUOTE]
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