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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 1967371" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p>I'd say the biggest problem with discussing racism (on this board) is that as soon as you start, facts and actual knowledge flies out the window and in comes "it seems like", "everybody knows", "Its common knowledge".</p><p></p><p>Racism is still very real (and if your response is "stereotypes are there for a reason", then no amount of explaining is going to help), but it is now used by everyone as it is a hot-topic item to use in political/social debate (I'm using that phrase loosely here).</p><p></p><p>When the majority of anything does something - it is typically considered by that same majority to be acceptable. When the minority points it out, often times they are met with resistance. Once the issue is out in the open, the people who make up both the majority and minority have a few of options to deal with it (or not).</p><p></p><p>Here's where it gets tricky. This is just my philosophy, but I tend to think most common-sense folks agree. If someone does/says something you disagree with, you can do one of two things:</p><p></p><p>1. Call them out for it (or do something about it)</p><p>2. Do the same thing back to them in order to teach them a lesson, or show them what they're doing is wrong.</p><p></p><p>If you do both, you generally are a hypocrite (or more accurately, you're demonstrating narcissistic personality disorder). If it is not ok for someone else to do something (and you point it out) and then you go and do that very thing back to them... you were in essence just complaining about your own actions.</p><p></p><p>Back to racism now - if you say something with racist undertones (or something that is suggestive as racist), and someone calls you out on it, then bam - you've been busted. If you see someone is doing something racist (i.e. Colin Powell is voting for Obama despite his history of being a republican so you suspect that he is only voting for Obama due to race, then you've just presented your case).</p><p></p><p>To add "Its no surprise" is to taint what you just said with a suggestively racist comment - its doing exactly what you were just griping about.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Its in fact the same exact thing I hear on the radio. I listen to radio talk-shows from all sides of the political spectrum to get a feel for how people actually think. This morning it was the Ricky Smiley Show (which is rarely full of any truth or actual politics - exactly the same as conservative talk-radio).</p><p></p><p>I heard Ricky say this when talking about a report of democrats being bullied by republicans (on the road when seeing an Obama bumper sticker, etc.) he said (I'm paraphrasing from memory):</p><p>"Don't let those Republicans bully you. The Republicans... at least the Tea Party ones that are down here are racist." He then went on to use the word "White" and then stumbled and started adding various races to the mix as he caught it.</p><p></p><p>Soak that in for a minute - he's accusing an entire group of people of acting/thinking the same way (i.e. classifying them by their political beliefs - and eventually using race) and that thing he's accusing them of: (wait for it...) racism.</p><p></p><p>To me there is no difference in Ricky's statement and that of the OPs. Different folks slinging the same poo (see - I tied it back to poo... I think I'm doing that with all my OSA posts from now on)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 1967371, member: 229"] Agreed. I'd say the biggest problem with discussing racism (on this board) is that as soon as you start, facts and actual knowledge flies out the window and in comes "it seems like", "everybody knows", "Its common knowledge". Racism is still very real (and if your response is "stereotypes are there for a reason", then no amount of explaining is going to help), but it is now used by everyone as it is a hot-topic item to use in political/social debate (I'm using that phrase loosely here). When the majority of anything does something - it is typically considered by that same majority to be acceptable. When the minority points it out, often times they are met with resistance. Once the issue is out in the open, the people who make up both the majority and minority have a few of options to deal with it (or not). Here's where it gets tricky. This is just my philosophy, but I tend to think most common-sense folks agree. If someone does/says something you disagree with, you can do one of two things: 1. Call them out for it (or do something about it) 2. Do the same thing back to them in order to teach them a lesson, or show them what they're doing is wrong. If you do both, you generally are a hypocrite (or more accurately, you're demonstrating narcissistic personality disorder). If it is not ok for someone else to do something (and you point it out) and then you go and do that very thing back to them... you were in essence just complaining about your own actions. Back to racism now - if you say something with racist undertones (or something that is suggestive as racist), and someone calls you out on it, then bam - you've been busted. If you see someone is doing something racist (i.e. Colin Powell is voting for Obama despite his history of being a republican so you suspect that he is only voting for Obama due to race, then you've just presented your case). To add "Its no surprise" is to taint what you just said with a suggestively racist comment - its doing exactly what you were just griping about. Its in fact the same exact thing I hear on the radio. I listen to radio talk-shows from all sides of the political spectrum to get a feel for how people actually think. This morning it was the Ricky Smiley Show (which is rarely full of any truth or actual politics - exactly the same as conservative talk-radio). I heard Ricky say this when talking about a report of democrats being bullied by republicans (on the road when seeing an Obama bumper sticker, etc.) he said (I'm paraphrasing from memory): "Don't let those Republicans bully you. The Republicans... at least the Tea Party ones that are down here are racist." He then went on to use the word "White" and then stumbled and started adding various races to the mix as he caught it. Soak that in for a minute - he's accusing an entire group of people of acting/thinking the same way (i.e. classifying them by their political beliefs - and eventually using race) and that thing he's accusing them of: (wait for it...) racism. To me there is no difference in Ricky's statement and that of the OPs. Different folks slinging the same poo (see - I tied it back to poo... I think I'm doing that with all my OSA posts from now on) [/QUOTE]
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