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<blockquote data-quote="Tanis143" data-source="post: 3213539" data-attributes="member: 43724"><p>Two things with this paragraph: First, please post reports on JHP getting clogged with clothing as this is the first time I've ever heard about this. The video I posted Paul shot both 9mm and .40 JHP through 6 layers of clothing, 3 shots each, and all 6 rounds expanded just fine. Second, you represent the precise problem that I have with the expensive ammo. You don't train with it. If you can not train with your carry ammo how do you know how it will affect your shot? Not all ammo shoots the same. You can put 4 different brands/types of rounds through the same pistol and have a different shot group for each. Not only that but how often do you rotate out your carry ammo? </p><p></p><p>If you are comfortable with 9mm, thats fine. But you were stating earlier that the .40 caliber is no better ballistically than the 9mm, which just isn't true. It takes expensive, high performance 9mm to even come close to standard .40 JHP. Now, if you were to open with that in reported cases 9mm stopped most threats, that's fine (this was covered in another thread somewhere). Realistically, its what you are comfortable shooting that makes the difference, that and muscle memory vs cognitive decision. I also do the bulk of my training with ball ammo as even my plain jane JPH are more expensive than FMJ ball ammo. But I rotate out my carry ammo every 4-6 months (was 6 months just in the house, now that I carry it will probably be closer to 4 months) and I use the old ammo at the range to see how it affects my shot grouping.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tanis143, post: 3213539, member: 43724"] Two things with this paragraph: First, please post reports on JHP getting clogged with clothing as this is the first time I've ever heard about this. The video I posted Paul shot both 9mm and .40 JHP through 6 layers of clothing, 3 shots each, and all 6 rounds expanded just fine. Second, you represent the precise problem that I have with the expensive ammo. You don't train with it. If you can not train with your carry ammo how do you know how it will affect your shot? Not all ammo shoots the same. You can put 4 different brands/types of rounds through the same pistol and have a different shot group for each. Not only that but how often do you rotate out your carry ammo? If you are comfortable with 9mm, thats fine. But you were stating earlier that the .40 caliber is no better ballistically than the 9mm, which just isn't true. It takes expensive, high performance 9mm to even come close to standard .40 JHP. Now, if you were to open with that in reported cases 9mm stopped most threats, that's fine (this was covered in another thread somewhere). Realistically, its what you are comfortable shooting that makes the difference, that and muscle memory vs cognitive decision. I also do the bulk of my training with ball ammo as even my plain jane JPH are more expensive than FMJ ball ammo. But I rotate out my carry ammo every 4-6 months (was 6 months just in the house, now that I carry it will probably be closer to 4 months) and I use the old ammo at the range to see how it affects my shot grouping. [/QUOTE]
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