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<blockquote data-quote="Fyrtwuck" data-source="post: 3203596" data-attributes="member: 23"><p>When I retired, I was issued a LE retired CC permit by CLEET. I went through the required permit process that everyone else went through because I wanted to see what the class was like and what was taught so I could compare it with what I had learned in the academy and since then with the updates we received with yearly training. </p><p></p><p>I was VERY disappointed. The instructor spent the whole class reading the text of the law word for word from the OSBI manual. Some “what if” questions were asked by the class and the answer was always “you need to ask an attorney”. </p><p></p><p>The test was entirely on firearms safety, yet nothing was taught about safe handling of firearms. A review of the test was given before the test was given. </p><p></p><p>The qualification course was a joke. A total of fifty rounds were fired from three and seven yards on a full size silhouette human shaped target. No time limit or scoring whatsoever. When I stepped back and looked at the other targets there were many who had only three or four hits on the whole target. </p><p></p><p>I don’t see the question about carrying guns with no training and no permits having any merit. As far as I am concerned, they don’t have any training under the current system now. </p><p></p><p>The current system as I see it simply provides applicants with the “current” wording of the law and no minimum standards for qualifications. As we know, laws change every year. No updates are provided or offered. If you want to be updated you have to get it on your own. If you want more training, get it on your own. No encouragement for additional training or legal updates. </p><p></p><p>The current system is a money maker for the state. Minimum training that is not paid for by the state. Just enough to say that the permit carriers have received training. Fees to the state from the instructors to be “State Certified Instructors”. Fees to the state from applicants.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fyrtwuck, post: 3203596, member: 23"] When I retired, I was issued a LE retired CC permit by CLEET. I went through the required permit process that everyone else went through because I wanted to see what the class was like and what was taught so I could compare it with what I had learned in the academy and since then with the updates we received with yearly training. I was VERY disappointed. The instructor spent the whole class reading the text of the law word for word from the OSBI manual. Some “what if” questions were asked by the class and the answer was always “you need to ask an attorney”. The test was entirely on firearms safety, yet nothing was taught about safe handling of firearms. A review of the test was given before the test was given. The qualification course was a joke. A total of fifty rounds were fired from three and seven yards on a full size silhouette human shaped target. No time limit or scoring whatsoever. When I stepped back and looked at the other targets there were many who had only three or four hits on the whole target. I don’t see the question about carrying guns with no training and no permits having any merit. As far as I am concerned, they don’t have any training under the current system now. The current system as I see it simply provides applicants with the “current” wording of the law and no minimum standards for qualifications. As we know, laws change every year. No updates are provided or offered. If you want to be updated you have to get it on your own. If you want more training, get it on your own. No encouragement for additional training or legal updates. The current system is a money maker for the state. Minimum training that is not paid for by the state. Just enough to say that the permit carriers have received training. Fees to the state from the instructors to be “State Certified Instructors”. Fees to the state from applicants. [/QUOTE]
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