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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 3203699" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>Correct me if I am wrong, but I never saw in the reports of the shooting at Louie's that either of the two Good Samaritans were permit holders. I don't believe either one was carrying at the time of the incident, but seem to remember they both went <strong>back to their vehicles</strong> to get their firearms. Again, I could be wrong, and let's be honest, I'm too fecking lazy to look it up specifically. Does it matter? Maybe... if regular good ol' boys can carry a firearm in their vehicle without a permit (and you can), the next logical step is allowing them to carry it on their person to facilitate stoppage of something like what happened at Louie's, but with a quicker response.</p><p></p><p>I don't care that other states think it is ok, but it IS helpful to us as proponents of an idea to have some evidence to show those who would restrict our rights that the naysayers and "blood in the street"ers are wrong.</p><p></p><p>I remember the idiots in the legislature arguing against Concealed Carry back in 1995 - "blood in the streets, shootouts at the OK corral"</p><p></p><p>I remember the idiots in the legislature arguing against Open Carry 2011 (defeated) and 2012 (passed) - "blood in the streets, shootouts at the OK corral".</p><p></p><p>Is this any different? No... plenty of other states have led the way in this respect and plenty of other states have NOT had major problems with public carry of firearms. Are Oklahomans stupider/more careless/less qualified than all the residents of every other state? Should Oklahomans be considered less able to handle the responsibilities than others around the country? There are plenty of stupid, racist, bigshot, loudmouth, moronic, dangerous and toxically masculine (lol) residents and citizens around the country... and yet, we don't see the daily stories of blood in the streets the gun control proponents would have you believe are on the verge of happening if/when we pass concealed/open/constitutional or permitless carry.</p><p></p><p>Let's face it, I know the stupidity of humans, more than most. I've seen the holes they put in each other and themselves, the things they stick in each other and themselves, the worst of the worst they do to each other. The temptation is to paint with a broad brush - I know! But the evidence just doesn't bear out the worry. It just doesn't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 3203699, member: 9374"] Correct me if I am wrong, but I never saw in the reports of the shooting at Louie's that either of the two Good Samaritans were permit holders. I don't believe either one was carrying at the time of the incident, but seem to remember they both went [B]back to their vehicles[/B] to get their firearms. Again, I could be wrong, and let's be honest, I'm too fecking lazy to look it up specifically. Does it matter? Maybe... if regular good ol' boys can carry a firearm in their vehicle without a permit (and you can), the next logical step is allowing them to carry it on their person to facilitate stoppage of something like what happened at Louie's, but with a quicker response. I don't care that other states think it is ok, but it IS helpful to us as proponents of an idea to have some evidence to show those who would restrict our rights that the naysayers and "blood in the street"ers are wrong. I remember the idiots in the legislature arguing against Concealed Carry back in 1995 - "blood in the streets, shootouts at the OK corral" I remember the idiots in the legislature arguing against Open Carry 2011 (defeated) and 2012 (passed) - "blood in the streets, shootouts at the OK corral". Is this any different? No... plenty of other states have led the way in this respect and plenty of other states have NOT had major problems with public carry of firearms. Are Oklahomans stupider/more careless/less qualified than all the residents of every other state? Should Oklahomans be considered less able to handle the responsibilities than others around the country? There are plenty of stupid, racist, bigshot, loudmouth, moronic, dangerous and toxically masculine (lol) residents and citizens around the country... and yet, we don't see the daily stories of blood in the streets the gun control proponents would have you believe are on the verge of happening if/when we pass concealed/open/constitutional or permitless carry. Let's face it, I know the stupidity of humans, more than most. I've seen the holes they put in each other and themselves, the things they stick in each other and themselves, the worst of the worst they do to each other. The temptation is to paint with a broad brush - I know! But the evidence just doesn't bear out the worry. It just doesn't. [/QUOTE]
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