Covid-19 Vaccinations for Children?

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Vaccinations for Covid-19 are a personal decision.
Given your age, health, and risk-tolerance – adults can make their own informed decision.


But what about vaccinations for children?
The vaccine isn’t approved for kids (yet), but it’s coming.
Do the risks merit it? Is it needed?
Am I missing other relevant information?


For discussion purposes – I am only using information for age ranges 0-17 years old.
Please DO NOT de-rail this with adult related statistics.
CHILDREN ONLY.



1) Deaths
Covid-19 positive cases and deaths, by age:
(find the respective heading, then click the table icon)
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics
0-4 yrs old: 498,032 positive cases, 116 deaths
5-17 yrs old: 2,431,799 positive cases, 293 deaths
Totals for 0-17 yrs old: 2,929,831 positive cases, 409 deaths

Although, ...if you go here: (data from 1/1/2020 to 4/10/2021)
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
For 0-17 yrs olds, it shows total covid deaths of 258.
I’ll use the higher number for conservative purposes.


The US population by age:
https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2019/demo/age-and-sex/2019-age-sex-composition.html
Table 1, US population 0-19 years old: 81.6M. (Estimate 73.0M for 0-17 yrs old)

Child Covid-19 deaths:
For the 0-17 yrs old age group - The covid-19 positive cases (2.9M) is 3.9% compared to the US total child population (73.0M).

A) As a whole, for all of the US child population:
0-17 yr old, 409 deaths / 73,000,000 = 0.00056% chance of death – or 0.56 / 100K (general child population).

B) If your kid is one of the 3.9% of the kid population that get Covid-19 - then:
0-17 yr old, 409 deaths / 2,929,831 = 0.014% chance of death – or 13.9 deaths / 100K (Covid-19 positive cases in children).



2) Hospitalizations
Covid Hospitalizations by age: (unclick the older age groups)
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_3.html
Hospitalization weekly rates for 0-17 year old:
0-4 yr: 1.2 per 100K, 5-17 yr: 1.2 per 100K.
At its worst point (for both age groups combined), the hospitalizations rate was 3 per 100K, but normally is about 2.2 per 100K (or less).



3) Are Covid-19 deaths accurate - or exaggerated?
All this data is assuming the reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths is accurate.
Some people die BECAUSE of covid, while others die due to other conditions WITH covid.
Plenty of discussion in this topic.

CDC: 94% of Covid-19 deaths had underlying medical conditions
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Conditions-contributing-to-deaths-involving-corona/hk9y-quqm

Typically, children don’t have a lot of underlying medical conditions, and are generally very healthy.
Let’s assume all the reported child deaths are from covid.



4) What about the flu?
The seasonal flu is a seasonal effect, causing hospitalizations and deaths.
2010-2020 flu seasons typically effect up to 500,000 hospitalizations (all-ages) per year:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

The 2020-2021 flu season: (It’s not zero, …but it is low.)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

NOTICE THE LAST GRAPH – Since this is about children.
Influenza-Associated Pediatric Deaths.
2017-2018 = 188 deaths
2018-2019 = 144 deaths
2019-2020 = 198 deaths
2020-2021 = 1 (one) death

Some people think the flu is being miscategorized as covid – to inflate the Covid numbers (cases and deaths). If true, this would exaggerate the covid numbers and misrepresent its severity.
The seasonal average of 144-200 pediatric influenza deaths per year account for almost 1/2 of the reported Covid deaths.
If this is correct and influenza is removed, then this would reduce the (covid-19 only) death rates by half.



5) Herd Immunity
Everyone needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity and/or because kids are asymptotic spreaders:
This may have been an issue at first, but all the older people (…the “more at risk”) are already getting their vaccine.
So, if the ‘at-risk’ people are vaccinated - has the primary risks been resolved?
Is this still a valid reason/justification for vaccinating children?



6) Is the Emergency Use Vaccine safe?
We DO have a full year of data to determine Covid risks.
We DO NOT have a full year of vaccine data and/or unanticipated vaccine complications.
Errrrr, refer to the other thread. There’s plenty of differing thoughts on this.



Summary:
For children 0-17 yrs old:
- Over the last year, there has been 409 deaths due to Covid-19 in all of the US (children 0-17 yrs old).
- The risks of death are 0.00056% – or 0.56 / 100K children. (for all US child population)
- Or for the 3.9% of children that get covid - the risk of death is 0.014%. (only for covid-19 positive children)
- The covid-19 hospitalization rate for children is very small.


We have over a full year of covid data, which shows a very small probability of death and/or hospitalizations for children.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm


I do not think the risks merit children getting vaccinated.
Have I missed any critical points? Alternate views?
I would be interested in reading statistics/research for the contrary perspective.

Based on the risks, is the vaccine is merited for children 0-17?
If so, why? And what sources support your position?
 
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"Some people think the flu is being miscategorized as covid – to inflate the Covid numbers"

Sorry man, any extrapolation of your numbers beyond that statement is utter BS.
 

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Vaccinations for Covid-19 are a personal decision.
Given your age, health, and risk-tolerance – adults can make their own informed decision.


But what about vaccinations for children?
The vaccine isn’t approved for kids (yet), but it’s coming.
Do the risks merit it? Is it needed?
Am I missing other relevant information?


For discussion purposes – I am only using information for age ranges 0-17 years old.
Please DO NOT de-rail this with adult related statistics.
CHILDREN ONLY.



1) Deaths
Covid-19 positive cases and deaths, by age:
(find the respective heading, then click the table icon)
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics
0-4 yrs old: 498,032 positive cases, 116 deaths
5-17 yrs old: 2,431,799 positive cases, 293 deaths
Totals for 0-17 yrs old: 2,929,831 positive cases, 409 deaths

Although, ...if you go here: (data from 1/1/2020 to 4/10/2021)
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
For 0-17 yrs olds, it shows total covid deaths of 258.
I’ll use the higher number for conservative purposes.


The US population by age:
https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2019/demo/age-and-sex/2019-age-sex-composition.html
Table 1, US population 0-19 years old: 81.6M. (Estimate 73.0M for 0-17 yrs old)

Child Covid-19 deaths:
For the 0-17 yrs old age group - The covid-19 positive cases (2.9M) is 3.9% compared to the US total child population (73.0M).

A) As a whole, for all of the US child population:
0-17 yr old, 409 deaths / 73,000,000 = 0.00056% deaths/ child population – or 0.56 / 100K children.

B) If your kid is one of the 3.9% of the kid population that get Covid-19 - then:
0-17 yr old, 409 deaths / 2,929,831 = 0.014% deaths/positive case – or 13.9 deaths / 100K positive cases.



2) Hospitalizations
Covid Hospitalizations by age: (unclick the older age groups)
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_3.html
Hospitalization weekly rates for 0-17 year old:
0-4 yr: 1.2 per 100K, 5-17 yr: 1.2 per 100K.
At its worst point (for both age groups combined), the hospitalizations rate was 3 per 100K, but normally is about 2.2 per 100K (or less).



3) Are Covid-19 deaths accurate - or exaggerated?
All this data is assuming the reported numbers of Covid-19 deaths is accurate. Some people die BECAUSE of covid, while others die due to other conditions WITH covid. Plenty of discussion in this topic.

CDC: 94% of Covid-19 deaths had underlying medical conditions
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Conditions-contributing-to-deaths-involving-corona/hk9y-quqm

Typically, children don’t have a lot of underlying medical conditions, and are generally very healthy.
Let’s assume all the reported child deaths are from covid.



4) What about the flu?
The seasonal flu is a seasonal effect, causing hospitalizations and deaths.
2010-2020 flu seasons typically effect up to 500,000 hospitalizations (all-ages) per year:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

The 2020-2021 flu season: (It’s not zero, …but it is low.)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

NOTICE THE LAST GRAPH – Since this is about children.
Influenza-Associated Pediatric Deaths.
2017-2018 = 188 deaths
2018-2019 = 144 deaths
2019-2020 = 198 deaths
2020-2021 = 1 (one) death

Some people think the flu is being miscategorized as covid – to inflate the Covid numbers (cases and deaths). If true, this would exaggerate the covid numbers and misrepresent its severity.
The seasonal average of 144-200 pediatric influenza deaths per year account for almost 1/2 of the reported Covid deaths.
If this is correct and influenza is removed, then this would reduce the (covid-19 only) death rates by half.



5) Herd Immunity
Everyone needs to be vaccinated for herd immunity and/or because kids are asymptotic spreaders:
This may have been an issue at first, but all the older people (…the “more at risk”) are already getting their vaccine.
So, if the ‘at-risk’ people are vaccinated - has the primary risks been resolved? Is this still a valid consideration for vaccinating children?



6) Is the Emergency Use Vaccine safe?
We DO have a full year of data to determine Covid risks.
We DO NOT have a full year of vaccine data and/or unanticipated vaccine complications.
Errrrr, refer to the other thread. There’s plenty of differing thoughts on this.



Summary:
For children 0-17 yrs old:
- Over the last year, there has been 409 deaths due to Covid-19 in all of the US.
- The risks of death are 0.00056% – or 0.56 / 100K children. (for general child population)
- Or for the 3.9% of children that get covid - the risk of death is 0.014%.
- The covid-19 hospitalization rate for children is very small.


We have over a full year of covid data, which shows a very small probability of death and/or hospitalizations for children.

I do not think the risks merit children getting vaccinated.
Have I missed any critical points? Alternate views?
I would be interested in reading statistics/research for the contrary perspective.

Based on the risks, is the vaccine is merited for children 0-17?
If so, why - and what source supports your position?

This is basically where I am right now. The risk of the unknown long-term potential side-effects, however small, seem to exceed the risk of covid to a young healthy child (in my non-scientific educated opinion).
 

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Absolutely not! The flu shot isn't required either...they can recommend all they want. The shot is still under EUA anyway...why would anyone want to test it on their kid while it is still unapproved. Especially with such a low risk; follow your instincts.
 
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"Some people think the flu is being miscategorized as covid – to inflate the Covid numbers"

Sorry man, any extrapolation of your numbers beyond that statement is utter BS.

Sir,
I'm not trying to assert any numbers. I'm just stating 'some' people think this.
For example, the 'Influenza-Associated Pediatric Deaths for 2020-2021' seems odd.

In fact, I DID NOT remove any numbers - I maintained (kept all) the officially reported C-19 deaths.
Hence why I showed my math.

I respect you, and I would really be interested in hearing your perspective - and why.
 
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All,
This is a hot topic, and everyone has opinions.

I'm not looking for opinions.
I'm more interested in hearing contrary perspectives - and more importantly the SOURCES for the opposing view.
 

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My perspective is my son will be 16 in a few months and I see no reason he shouldn't get the vaccination.

I completely respect your decision as a parent...although I have unknowns about the long-term outcomes, this is still a gov't-sponsored EUA medical treatment and you should have the right to decide. If it were me, I would still speak for my kid and not let him since his risk is sooooo low, and then tell him he can make his own choice at 18 or when he was financially independent.

Having said that, I am just curious what your personal line would be? How far would you go based on what other men were telling you to do? What if it was 10 shots, or 50 or they told you to give your son female hormones as a medical treatment? As someone who seems to be okay with the current trajectory, what would be your line where you may not be as eager or trusting to give your kid something the gov't told you to? A vegan diet? Thx for humoring me in advance.
 
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