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<blockquote data-quote="ProBusiness" data-source="post: 2395435" data-attributes="member: 6145"><p>OK guys, some of you are not going to agree or like this post. But you understand handgun safety and the law concerning when you can legally protect yourself with a gun. </p><p></p><p>The idea of issuing a license or not needing a license to carry a pistol (constitutional carry) to me is very scary. I have been teaching the OK Handgun License class (concealed carry as it was formerly called) and personal handgun training for a few years. What we have in OK is a LARGE number of first time handgun purchasers. When I grew up, a lot of households had guns in the house mainly for hunting. You learned safety from a dad, uncle, cousin, brother, etc. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Now days, a lot of people do not have the advantage of someone in the family or friend teaching them safety because on one in their family has ever owned a gun. They have never even held or shot a handgun. The bottom line, is that students come to class and have NO IDEA ABOUT SAFETY. The rule of never pointing a gun at someone is a brand new rule to them. </p><p></p><p>We have the Hunter Safety program for youth. Why, because they need a base line understanding of safety. Why should adults with their first handgun get a pass on being taught safety.</p><p></p><p>A lot of people do not understand the devastation to the human body caused by a bullet and think shooting someone is not a big deal. </p><p></p><p>People have told me that they would shoot to kill anyone who: 1) was in their back yard 2) was on their property (acreage) 3) tried to take their purse 3) cursed at their children, 4) that bullets bounce off of cars, 5) that their sheet rock walls in their homes will stop a bullet, 6) that is someone is jiggling their front door knob that they will shoot thru the door, and on and on. Students have asked me if the bullet would go through the cardboard that the target was stapled to. People do not understand that once they shoot a gun, the bullet will go somewhere and you have to be careful where that bullet ends up. One student hung their target on their property and when target shooting the trajectory of the bullet took it over a major highway. I have had students shoot a gun for the first time and shake so violently they could not continue shooting. </p><p></p><p>Now, I am not making fun of these students. But I offer these examples as an example of the view of the uneducated gun owner.</p><p></p><p>One of the hardest groups of people to teach about handgun safety is the older student. They know it all. In their opinion I cannot teach them anything. Yet, when on the range they are the most dangerous group as far as pointing a gun at people. </p><p></p><p>I think constitutional carry is great, but as the expense of putting innocent people at risk because 1) people do not know when they can lawfully use a gun and 2) people do not have the slightest idea about handgun safety is not a good idea. </p><p></p><p>I offer the representative (???) proposing this to sit through a few of my classes and gain some understanding that his proposal is jeopardizing the safety of OK citizens at the expense of a 8 hour class and at the min $189.95. </p><p></p><p>At the min, have them sit through at class and learn the law and how to handle a gun safely. IMO. Respectfully submitted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ProBusiness, post: 2395435, member: 6145"] OK guys, some of you are not going to agree or like this post. But you understand handgun safety and the law concerning when you can legally protect yourself with a gun. The idea of issuing a license or not needing a license to carry a pistol (constitutional carry) to me is very scary. I have been teaching the OK Handgun License class (concealed carry as it was formerly called) and personal handgun training for a few years. What we have in OK is a LARGE number of first time handgun purchasers. When I grew up, a lot of households had guns in the house mainly for hunting. You learned safety from a dad, uncle, cousin, brother, etc. Now days, a lot of people do not have the advantage of someone in the family or friend teaching them safety because on one in their family has ever owned a gun. They have never even held or shot a handgun. The bottom line, is that students come to class and have NO IDEA ABOUT SAFETY. The rule of never pointing a gun at someone is a brand new rule to them. We have the Hunter Safety program for youth. Why, because they need a base line understanding of safety. Why should adults with their first handgun get a pass on being taught safety. A lot of people do not understand the devastation to the human body caused by a bullet and think shooting someone is not a big deal. People have told me that they would shoot to kill anyone who: 1) was in their back yard 2) was on their property (acreage) 3) tried to take their purse 3) cursed at their children, 4) that bullets bounce off of cars, 5) that their sheet rock walls in their homes will stop a bullet, 6) that is someone is jiggling their front door knob that they will shoot thru the door, and on and on. Students have asked me if the bullet would go through the cardboard that the target was stapled to. People do not understand that once they shoot a gun, the bullet will go somewhere and you have to be careful where that bullet ends up. One student hung their target on their property and when target shooting the trajectory of the bullet took it over a major highway. I have had students shoot a gun for the first time and shake so violently they could not continue shooting. Now, I am not making fun of these students. But I offer these examples as an example of the view of the uneducated gun owner. One of the hardest groups of people to teach about handgun safety is the older student. They know it all. In their opinion I cannot teach them anything. Yet, when on the range they are the most dangerous group as far as pointing a gun at people. I think constitutional carry is great, but as the expense of putting innocent people at risk because 1) people do not know when they can lawfully use a gun and 2) people do not have the slightest idea about handgun safety is not a good idea. I offer the representative (???) proposing this to sit through a few of my classes and gain some understanding that his proposal is jeopardizing the safety of OK citizens at the expense of a 8 hour class and at the min $189.95. At the min, have them sit through at class and learn the law and how to handle a gun safely. IMO. Respectfully submitted. [/QUOTE]
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