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<blockquote data-quote="C_Hallbert" data-source="post: 3061730" data-attributes="member: 42957"><p>I really hate this thread and was trying to stay away, but its still bothering me. My problem is that some people approve of the Police Tactics used as this tragedy played out. What makes it even worse is among those who supported the shooting, not one suggested any concern or conscience for the killing of an innocent young man. This fact above all else should concern everyone. </p><p></p><p>Repeatedly, among experienced Officers and others who approved the decision to shoot, there were references to the movement of the subject’s hands that presenting a possible threat that he might be reaching for a weapon. Apparently, the Protocol now used in training legitimatizes the use of Deadly Force when a subject moves in a suspicious or sudden manner without the visualization or known presence of a weapon in a High Risk Situation. So, in this case the Police Protocol Killed an innocent person who in actuality did not present a threat to anyone.....well, anyone except himself. Hey, and now there is no issue to bother anyone’s conscience! Glad that’s settled. </p><p></p><p>A physician I worked with for about twenty five years once remarked about the increasing use of Protocols in medicine. He said, “Protocols seem good because they do not require people to have to think. “Ah, but is that really a good thing?” “It’s because after a while people forget what it is that they’re doing.” (Michael Boyer, MD). I believe that this describes the situation in this discussion. </p><p></p><p>Since the Police Protocol justifies this shoot, let’s change the participants but keep everything else the same: Now, the frightened, confused subject being ordered around is the Police Chief’s son. Would the the responding Officers have handled it the same?: or, a 13 y.o. boy?; a 7 y.o. boy?; one of the responding Officer’s brothers?; your own son? If you still approve of this shooting, you are an idiot that needs a Protocol for everything (probably even sex). Police are not robots. The best Officers are those that are intelligent, perceptive, courageous, caring and merciful. I didn’t see any of these traits displayed in the video. The High Risk (Deadly Force) Protocol is intended to improve Officer Safety. Apparently, once it went into effect, it did not adjust to the obvious demeanor of the subject or the conditions as they evolved. The Protocol failed the victim, the responding Officers, and our society. </p><p></p><p>I recall another Police Shooting of a 90+ y.o. Black WWII Veteran in Georgia. His daughter decided that it was time for him to leave his house and go to a Nursing Home. He refused and told her to leave. She engaged the assistance of Social Services and a Professional Social Worker accompanied the daughter on the next visit. They informed him that he had to comply and that they would return with the authorities to make him go. He got his shotgun, showed it to them (not pointing it at them) closed and locked the door. The Professional Social Worker called 911 and reported that the old gentleman had a gun and had barricaded himself in his home. SWAT arrived.....broke through the door and SHOT HIM DEAD!!! Oh, and ‘Thanks old man for your Service to our Country.’ While we’re at it lets have a big hand and THANKS FOR THE SERVICES OF THE SWAT TEAM TO THE COMMUNITY!!!!! </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="C_Hallbert, post: 3061730, member: 42957"] I really hate this thread and was trying to stay away, but its still bothering me. My problem is that some people approve of the Police Tactics used as this tragedy played out. What makes it even worse is among those who supported the shooting, not one suggested any concern or conscience for the killing of an innocent young man. This fact above all else should concern everyone. Repeatedly, among experienced Officers and others who approved the decision to shoot, there were references to the movement of the subject’s hands that presenting a possible threat that he might be reaching for a weapon. Apparently, the Protocol now used in training legitimatizes the use of Deadly Force when a subject moves in a suspicious or sudden manner without the visualization or known presence of a weapon in a High Risk Situation. So, in this case the Police Protocol Killed an innocent person who in actuality did not present a threat to anyone.....well, anyone except himself. Hey, and now there is no issue to bother anyone’s conscience! Glad that’s settled. A physician I worked with for about twenty five years once remarked about the increasing use of Protocols in medicine. He said, “Protocols seem good because they do not require people to have to think. “Ah, but is that really a good thing?” “It’s because after a while people forget what it is that they’re doing.” (Michael Boyer, MD). I believe that this describes the situation in this discussion. Since the Police Protocol justifies this shoot, let’s change the participants but keep everything else the same: Now, the frightened, confused subject being ordered around is the Police Chief’s son. Would the the responding Officers have handled it the same?: or, a 13 y.o. boy?; a 7 y.o. boy?; one of the responding Officer’s brothers?; your own son? If you still approve of this shooting, you are an idiot that needs a Protocol for everything (probably even sex). Police are not robots. The best Officers are those that are intelligent, perceptive, courageous, caring and merciful. I didn’t see any of these traits displayed in the video. The High Risk (Deadly Force) Protocol is intended to improve Officer Safety. Apparently, once it went into effect, it did not adjust to the obvious demeanor of the subject or the conditions as they evolved. The Protocol failed the victim, the responding Officers, and our society. I recall another Police Shooting of a 90+ y.o. Black WWII Veteran in Georgia. His daughter decided that it was time for him to leave his house and go to a Nursing Home. He refused and told her to leave. She engaged the assistance of Social Services and a Professional Social Worker accompanied the daughter on the next visit. They informed him that he had to comply and that they would return with the authorities to make him go. He got his shotgun, showed it to them (not pointing it at them) closed and locked the door. The Professional Social Worker called 911 and reported that the old gentleman had a gun and had barricaded himself in his home. SWAT arrived.....broke through the door and SHOT HIM DEAD!!! Oh, and ‘Thanks old man for your Service to our Country.’ While we’re at it lets have a big hand and THANKS FOR THE SERVICES OF THE SWAT TEAM TO THE COMMUNITY!!!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [/QUOTE]
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