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<blockquote data-quote="swampratt" data-source="post: 3221557" data-attributes="member: 15054"><p>I have been down this road.</p><p>Old trusty 30-30 never missed a shot and put many deer in the freezer.</p><p>That was with ammo from the 1980's when a 20 count box of ammo would last 5 years.</p><p>Yep did not shoot much.</p><p>Fast forward to 2008 buddy is going hunting with me and needs a gun EEEHHH hand him the 30-30 he shoots it well and it is dead nuts on.</p><p>Almost out of that Remington ammo from the early 80's.</p><p>I figure go to the store get 2 boxes one Remington and one Federal same weight.</p><p></p><p>WOW!!</p><p>That ammo was terrible I was lucky to hit 8x11 paper at 100 yards with any of it.</p><p>I thought my buddy dropped the gun or something.</p><p></p><p>I had 6 rounds of the old ammo that had been in and out of that gun and in pockets and hands and cases were getting a bit green.</p><p>I chambered that old stuff into the gun and it became the laser beam it always was.</p><p></p><p>I began handloading after that with a Lee Field Loader.</p><p>I got 3/4" groups with that loader and No scales were used.. just a scoop of powder.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The correct bullet will make a difference The 155 Palma sierra I have shot deer with pass through with little hole in and little hole out.</p><p>NO expansion.</p><p>The 150 Hornady 3031 bullet will leave a lime size exit hole.</p><p>The 178A-Max bullet will leave a soft ball sized exit hole or just tear the off side shoulder apart.</p><p>The 295 grain plated Power belt Hollow point from a 50 cal muzzleloader will just about decapitate a medium sized doe.</p><p>I kid you not.</p><p>Only had Hide about the size of a dollar bill holding the head to the rest of the body.</p><p></p><p>Bullet choice matters.</p><p></p><p>Like stated if you do not reload then you will need to try different ammo until you find what works and shot placement is key.</p><p>Another thing is not all shot deer will leave blood.</p><p></p><p>I have heart shot them and had them go 80 yards before they piled up but no blood.</p><p>Not just one time many times.</p><p>Get a bullet that expands faster or goes off like a hand grenade inside of a deer and they fall over much sooner.</p><p></p><p>I tossed stones at the .223 for years and then decided to try one with 55gr bullet a Hornady V-Max bullet.</p><p>I have never had so many deer and other critters die so fast.</p><p>Band flop, Bang flop, Bang flop.</p><p>It is my go to now. poor .308 and 30-06 do not get used much. Unless I know I will hunt the pipe lines.</p><p>Hornady 155 A-Max is my go to bullet now It shoots like a lazer and gets fast expansion without tearing all my shoulders up like the heavier 178gr.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="swampratt, post: 3221557, member: 15054"] I have been down this road. Old trusty 30-30 never missed a shot and put many deer in the freezer. That was with ammo from the 1980's when a 20 count box of ammo would last 5 years. Yep did not shoot much. Fast forward to 2008 buddy is going hunting with me and needs a gun EEEHHH hand him the 30-30 he shoots it well and it is dead nuts on. Almost out of that Remington ammo from the early 80's. I figure go to the store get 2 boxes one Remington and one Federal same weight. WOW!! That ammo was terrible I was lucky to hit 8x11 paper at 100 yards with any of it. I thought my buddy dropped the gun or something. I had 6 rounds of the old ammo that had been in and out of that gun and in pockets and hands and cases were getting a bit green. I chambered that old stuff into the gun and it became the laser beam it always was. I began handloading after that with a Lee Field Loader. I got 3/4" groups with that loader and No scales were used.. just a scoop of powder. The correct bullet will make a difference The 155 Palma sierra I have shot deer with pass through with little hole in and little hole out. NO expansion. The 150 Hornady 3031 bullet will leave a lime size exit hole. The 178A-Max bullet will leave a soft ball sized exit hole or just tear the off side shoulder apart. The 295 grain plated Power belt Hollow point from a 50 cal muzzleloader will just about decapitate a medium sized doe. I kid you not. Only had Hide about the size of a dollar bill holding the head to the rest of the body. Bullet choice matters. Like stated if you do not reload then you will need to try different ammo until you find what works and shot placement is key. Another thing is not all shot deer will leave blood. I have heart shot them and had them go 80 yards before they piled up but no blood. Not just one time many times. Get a bullet that expands faster or goes off like a hand grenade inside of a deer and they fall over much sooner. I tossed stones at the .223 for years and then decided to try one with 55gr bullet a Hornady V-Max bullet. I have never had so many deer and other critters die so fast. Band flop, Bang flop, Bang flop. It is my go to now. poor .308 and 30-06 do not get used much. Unless I know I will hunt the pipe lines. Hornady 155 A-Max is my go to bullet now It shoots like a lazer and gets fast expansion without tearing all my shoulders up like the heavier 178gr. [/QUOTE]
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