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<blockquote data-quote="TerryMiller" data-source="post: 2294991" data-attributes="member: 7900"><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With respect to the history of this nation, <strong>not necessarily the founding of the government</strong>, please allow me to post in this comment a portion of the text of the Mayflower Compact.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Modern language: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_Compact" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a></span></span></p><p></p><p>In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.</p><p></p><p><strong><u>Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith </u></strong>and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.</p><p></p><p>In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Olde English: <a href="http://mayflowerhistory.com/mayflower-compact/" target="_blank">Mayflower History.com</a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p> In ye name of God Amen· We whose names are vnderwriten, </p><p> the loyall subjects of our dread soueraigne Lord King James </p><p> by ye grace of God, of great Britaine, franc, & Ireland king, </p><p> defender of ye faith, &c</p><p></p><p> <strong><u>Haueing vndertaken, for ye glorie of God, and aduancemente </u></strong></p><p><strong><u> of ye christian ^faith</u></strong> and honour of our king & countrie, a voyage to </p><p> plant ye first colonie in ye Northerne parts of Virginia· doe </p><p> by these presents solemnly & mutualy in ye presence of God, and </p><p> one of another, couenant, & combine our selues togeather into a </p><p> ciuill body politick; for ye our better ordering, & preseruation & fur=</p><p> therance of ye ends aforesaid; and by vertue hearof, to enacte, </p><p> constitute, and frame shuch just & equall lawes, ordinances, </p><p> Acts, constitutions, & offices, from time to time, as shall be thought </p><p> most meete & conuenient for ye generall good of ye colonie: vnto </p><p> which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witnes </p><p> wherof we haue herevnder subscribed our names at Cap=</p><p> Codd ye ·11· of Nouember, in ye year of ye raigne of our soueraigne </p><p> Lord king James of England, france, & Ireland ye eighteenth </p><p> and of Scotland ye fiftie fourth. Ano: Dom ·1620·</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now, as to whether there needs to be a monument at any government location, I could care less. However, I see no problem with even non-believers adhering to at least the last six of the Commandments. As for Christianity, it took at least one of the Commandments just a wee bit further than the original text. Number 7 says, "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery." Christ took it further by saying that if one even considered another woman, it was sinful.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Georgia'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TerryMiller, post: 2294991, member: 7900"] [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]With respect to the history of this nation, [B]not necessarily the founding of the government[/B], please allow me to post in this comment a portion of the text of the Mayflower Compact. Modern language: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_Compact"]Wikipedia[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT] In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc. [B][U]Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith [/U][/B]and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620. [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]Olde English: [URL="http://mayflowerhistory.com/mayflower-compact/"]Mayflower History.com[/URL] [/SIZE][/FONT] In ye name of God Amen· We whose names are vnderwriten, the loyall subjects of our dread soueraigne Lord King James by ye grace of God, of great Britaine, franc, & Ireland king, defender of ye faith, &c [B][U]Haueing vndertaken, for ye glorie of God, and aduancemente of ye christian ^faith[/U][/B] and honour of our king & countrie, a voyage to plant ye first colonie in ye Northerne parts of Virginia· doe by these presents solemnly & mutualy in ye presence of God, and one of another, couenant, & combine our selues togeather into a ciuill body politick; for ye our better ordering, & preseruation & fur= therance of ye ends aforesaid; and by vertue hearof, to enacte, constitute, and frame shuch just & equall lawes, ordinances, Acts, constitutions, & offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meete & conuenient for ye generall good of ye colonie: vnto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witnes wherof we haue herevnder subscribed our names at Cap= Codd ye ·11· of Nouember, in ye year of ye raigne of our soueraigne Lord king James of England, france, & Ireland ye eighteenth and of Scotland ye fiftie fourth. Ano: Dom ·1620· [FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]Now, as to whether there needs to be a monument at any government location, I could care less. However, I see no problem with even non-believers adhering to at least the last six of the Commandments. As for Christianity, it took at least one of the Commandments just a wee bit further than the original text. Number 7 says, "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery." Christ took it further by saying that if one even considered another woman, it was sinful. [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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