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DOJ Releases Biden Gun Confiscation Order Legislation

TedKennedy

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Yes.
Its a mindset issue. There are cops and there are "cops". For better or worse, the cross section of individuals in this community are not substantially different than society as a whole.

I've got a cop buddy in a large Texas city that declares the majority of his co-workers would seize guns in a heartbeat. We're in God's country.
 

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I wonder how many would avoid going to shrinks and doctors because of it?

I have had depression issues all my life and have taken medication for the past 35+ years. I have never, not once seriously thought about harming others and only harming myself one period. I have had back issues for the past 25 years and during its worst where I was confined to the house basically for 2.5 years, I thought about it then for myself. I even discussed it with my wife who of course didn't want me to, but said she'd certainly understand since she'd seen me go through it. Thankfully, I finally found a pain management doctor who wasn't afraid to prescribe strong enough to knock down the sharpest pain. This has worked for the past 20 years, but the last few years the state has reduced the max allowable opiates prescribed, and are pushing further. If they get to the threshold they are pushing for, I know I won't be able to work anymore. Then, instead I'll be a drain on social security and probably will end back up not having much of a life.
Anyway, more than once I have thought about tapering off my depression meds as I could see in the not-so-distant future them using that to disqualify me from gun ownership.

There are already procedures for the temporary confiscation of firearms from persons deemed a threat to themselves or others. Anyone who is familiar with a Victim Protection Order knows this.
Lets say; for example, there is a domestic assault and the dominant agggressor is identified. The assault resulted in visible physical injuries or obvious disfigurement. The dominant aggressor also made threats to " [email protected]#$&* kill that bleep". Maybe they have made threats in the past, maybe they even pointed a firearm at the victim in the past. Victim has a report taken, and the suspect is arrested or a warrant filed for their arrest. Victim requests a Emergency VPO and a judge will decide if the facts and circumstances warrant the seizure of the suspects firearms until a hearing can be held (within 5 days) to determine what will happen with the firearms.
To back up just a bit, if the judge decides that; based on all of the evidence presented, that the firearms shall be temporarily seized they will order that on the EPO. When the EPO is served on the suspect, their firearms are seized.
Red flag laws seek to undermine all of the checks and balances inherent in the current system in order to make the seizure of firearms easier. Red flag laws are clearly in direct conflict with 4th and 14th amendment at the very least. In my experience, the vast majority of LEOs or Peace Officers would refuse to enforce them.

I have a cousin that told me she was going to file something (in Iowa) that is similar to VPO. The net result was that her ex would be unable to possess firearms until the VPO expired, or he could prove otherwise and then get them back. I was surprised and asked "do you really think he'll do anything"? She said no. I said as in no chance? She said yeah. Apparently what caused their end was him cheating. Like most of us here, he liked firearms and was a hunter and collector. This was going to be a revenge act. I told her that I wouldn't do that. I said if I were in his shoes and that happened, I'd be LIVID. I said I'd fight her for everything in court. Child support, property division, etc. where otherwise I'd probably just realize I probably caused it and let her have more than my share. Thankfully, she saw my point and didn't follow through with it. A few years later those two even dated again for a while but ultimately it sounded like the wounds were too deep. However, this whole interaction with a person I know fairly well, and that I wouldn't have thought had a vindictive bone in her body, has left me realizing just how easy it could be.
 

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I have had depression issues all my life and have taken medication for the past 35+ years. I have never, not once seriously thought about harming others and only harming myself one period. I have had back issues for the past 25 years and during its worst where I was confined to the house basically for 2.5 years, I thought about it then for myself. I even discussed it with my wife who of course didn't want me to, but said she'd certainly understand since she'd seen me go through it. Thankfully, I finally found a pain management doctor who wasn't afraid to prescribe strong enough to knock down the sharpest pain. This has worked for the past 20 years, but the last few years the state has reduced the max allowable opiates prescribed, and are pushing further. If they get to the threshold they are pushing for, I know I won't be able to work anymore. Then, instead I'll be a drain on social security and probably will end back up not having much of a life.
Anyway, more than once I have thought about tapering off my depression meds as I could see in the not-so-distant future them using that to disqualify me from gun ownership.



I have a cousin that told me she was going to file something (in Iowa) that is similar to VPO. The net result was that her ex would be unable to possess firearms until the VPO expired, or he could prove otherwise and then get them back. I was surprised and asked "do you really think he'll do anything"? She said no. I said as in no chance? She said yeah. Apparently what caused their end was him cheating. Like most of us here, he liked firearms and was a hunter and collector. This was going to be a revenge act. I told her that I wouldn't do that. I said if I were in his shoes and that happened, I'd be LIVID. I said I'd fight her for everything in court. Child support, property division, etc. where otherwise I'd probably just realize I probably caused it and let her have more than my share. Thankfully, she saw my point and didn't follow through with it. A few years later those two even dated again for a while but ultimately it sounded like the wounds were too deep. However, this whole interaction with a person I know fairly well, and that I wouldn't have thought had a vindictive bone in her body, has left me realizing just how easy it could be.

Yeah I think the unintended consequences of red flags could be bad. Not even factoring the trampling of rights.

And I could totally see it being a part of a lot of divorce proceedings. Or even just breakups.
 

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I've seen the vindictiveness of spurned lovers on both sides... they have absolutely NO remorse in trying to destroy the lives of their formers flames. I think the chance to eff somebody over for life is just too tempting - I could see it happening quite frequently. And it's a he said/she said thing, there could be no real repercussions or consequences, because how can you prove it was a lie with malicious intent?
 

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I'm surprised that my ex-wife didn't try to get my guns taken away just to mess with me when we she left. She did other things to make life miserable for me just because she could.

She hated that I had guns, but of course she didn't reveal that, along with many other things, until several years into our marriage.

I found out that she had been talking to a cop at her church about me having guns and apparently he was supporting her belief that I shouldn't have them.

I can see where people could sure get screwed over by others that are just being vindictive.
 
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