I use Dot Torture in my classes sometimes and shoot it myself every once and a while. The number of shooters that can clean it 50/50 at 3 yards is rare. Once you can clean it at 3 yards ad a yard and when you can clean it at 5-7 your doing great!! my best is 9 yards for 50 and a 49 for 10 yards... that one little guy..... LOL