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SlugSlinger

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The interesting things about the current abnormal economic cycle we are seeing is the fundamentals have been greatly skewed and manipulated by the previous administration.
Here are only a few things that I can think of off the top of my head that have disrupted the cycle:
8 years of Obama's apology tour for America that created record consumer sentiment
8 years of a economy ran by a socialist that was anti America and anti business
8 years of no real economic or real employment growth
Record deficit spending and national debt with Obama essentially doubling the debt in 8 years to over $20 trillion
Obamacare driving single digit healthcare costs increases that were before this debacle, to triple digit increases afterwards.
And the big driver: Multiple QEs that printed and dumped trillions of dollars into the banking system that essentially devalued the dollar and set trillions on the sidelines because the banks were NOT spending or investing the money.

Trump has turned things around and abruptly so! Trump has motivated investors and business owners with the largest corporate tax decrease in history along with deregulation that has spurred economic activity. This along with the QE funds that have sat stagnant for years. The large influx of capital into the stock market is impart due to the available QE funds. The stock market is attractive because of the potential returns of a true free market (thanks to Trump getting things back on course) along with the devaluation of the currency. I think the market is up in 2 ways. 1 in real terms thanks to Trump and his pro-business policies and up because of currency devaluing and we can thank Obama for devaluing the dollar.
And here are 9 charts that show the disruption thanks to Obama!
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http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/obamas-real-legacy-summed-up-by-9-brutal-charts
 
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OK, I did the math. I did not use your optimistic 12%, though. I used the difference between 7% average for large business investments and 8% average for small business investments. - yes, 7.5%.

Taking the $200K investment and compounding yearly at 7.5%, we would have made $87K before taxes, investment fees, etc. etc. By investing in ourselves and adding our "sweat equity", we made 125K on our investment before taxes - except our capitol gain was not taxable, ergo, no taxes. Our mortgage payments were small(350 per month) so deduct 21K from our 125K and we still made 17K more than the average investment.

Don't forget we lived and worked there as well, and the overhead was paid for out of our salaries, profits, the rental income from the business, and the business's share of utilities. I do believe we bested inflation as well.

The rented portion of our house was depreciated which was a plus with the income deduction, but was of course "paid back" in taxes upon the sale of the house. That ended up being a wash.

Living and producing a product all under one roof is a good business plan - regardless of whether you buy the property to fix up and flip or not.

Woody
 

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Taking the $200K investment and compounding yearly at 7.5%, we would have made $87K before taxes, investment fees, etc. etc. By investing in ourselves and adding our "sweat equity", we made 125K on our investment before taxes - except our capitol gain was not taxable, ergo, no taxes. Our mortgage payments were small(350 per month) so deduct 21K from our 125K and we still made 17K more than the average investment.

Don't forget we lived and worked there as well, and the overhead was paid for out of our salaries, profits, the rental income from the business, and the business's share of utilities. I do believe we bested inflation as well.

The rented portion of our house was depreciated which was a plus with the income deduction, but was of course "paid back" in taxes upon the sale of the house. That ended up being a wash.

Living and producing a product all under one roof is a good business plan - regardless of whether you buy the property to fix up and flip or not.

Woody
There are no taxes (income or CGs) involved with an IRA. And the fees are a tiny drop in the bucket.
You really dont know much about the investment market it seems.
 

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There are no taxes (income or CGs) involved with an IRA. And the fees are a tiny drop in the bucket.
You really dont know much about the investment market it seems.

Roth or Traditional? Roth has no taxes upon distributions, Traditional IRA distributions however are, taxed.
 

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Roth or Traditional? Roth has no taxes upon distributions, Traditional IRA distributions however are, taxed.
True, but no CGs I dont believe on either. I have only a ROTH.
But anyone opening a new IRA would hopefully be directed to go ROTH. (which is still subject to the income taxes on the front end but 0 taxes on the growth)
 

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