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<blockquote data-quote="TwoForFlinching" data-source="post: 3247298" data-attributes="member: 24500"><p>I can't convince you to change your mind, nor do I care to try. I don't like talking about religion, I think it's personal to each individual, but I'm bored so I'll indulge you with the understanding that you won't change your mind so long as you understand I don't expect or wish for you to do so.</p><p></p><p>I can't say anything now that anyone here hasn't already ignored. Believe me, I didn't give it any credibility for a very long time. It wasn't until the science on the increasing fossil fuel specific carbon isotope levels in the atmosphere was discovered, published, and confirmed through peer review that I started paying any attention to it. That's what changed my mind, but still, my opinion shouldn't change your mind. You can only read the vast amounts of available scientific information and come to your own conclusion.</p><p></p><p>I understand anyone's urge to instantly disagree with a politician they don't see eye to eye with. But you have to keep in mind, politicians are incredibly stupid on the average. They don't know what they're saying, nor do they care. They're just hoping to drive votes on an issue they're more than likely heavily invested in. How this became a political thing is ridiculous. They've managed to put the blame of climate change on the citizens, when it is corporations that are statistically responsible. Vast enterprises with pockets deep enough to line politicians pockets to keep them out of it. Literally, 100 of the world's individual companies are solely responsible for 71% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, yet politicians have laid it at our feet. Google it. Electric cars don't benefit Earth, they benefit the economy. But the Earth doesn't belong to the left or right. It belongs to all of us. And to think that we have no effect on our environment is something I can't make my mind think.</p><p></p><p>They talk of deadlines, tipping points, etc... I don't believe anybody knows, nor do I think anyone is qualified to estimate such a timeline. Science can't even agree on where most living species evolved from. However, I do believe we are, as a species, egotistical enough to believe we're smart enough to determine such things. We're a young species enamoured by our most basic accomplishments.</p><p></p><p>My faith in mother nature righting herself is set in history. Earth has survived an incredible birth in an inhospitable environment of nothingness. Several documented extinction level events. Nuclear war, disasters, and testing. I can't convince you that this rock is unbalanced. I can only encourage you read about carbon dioxide levels found in the historical record obtained through core samples. They've been higher than they are now. Whether or not the future generations of living species can adapt and evolve to live in that environment, nobody knows. The only constant is Earth and the extensive growing catalog of extinct species.</p><p></p><p>Maybe reading the science on those isotopes levels will be your personal game changer. Read up on it. Even if you don't agree with it, you'll be better armed for a climate debate. That way you won't have to lead with something a retarded politician said.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TwoForFlinching, post: 3247298, member: 24500"] I can't convince you to change your mind, nor do I care to try. I don't like talking about religion, I think it's personal to each individual, but I'm bored so I'll indulge you with the understanding that you won't change your mind so long as you understand I don't expect or wish for you to do so. I can't say anything now that anyone here hasn't already ignored. Believe me, I didn't give it any credibility for a very long time. It wasn't until the science on the increasing fossil fuel specific carbon isotope levels in the atmosphere was discovered, published, and confirmed through peer review that I started paying any attention to it. That's what changed my mind, but still, my opinion shouldn't change your mind. You can only read the vast amounts of available scientific information and come to your own conclusion. I understand anyone's urge to instantly disagree with a politician they don't see eye to eye with. But you have to keep in mind, politicians are incredibly stupid on the average. They don't know what they're saying, nor do they care. They're just hoping to drive votes on an issue they're more than likely heavily invested in. How this became a political thing is ridiculous. They've managed to put the blame of climate change on the citizens, when it is corporations that are statistically responsible. Vast enterprises with pockets deep enough to line politicians pockets to keep them out of it. Literally, 100 of the world's individual companies are solely responsible for 71% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, yet politicians have laid it at our feet. Google it. Electric cars don't benefit Earth, they benefit the economy. But the Earth doesn't belong to the left or right. It belongs to all of us. And to think that we have no effect on our environment is something I can't make my mind think. They talk of deadlines, tipping points, etc... I don't believe anybody knows, nor do I think anyone is qualified to estimate such a timeline. Science can't even agree on where most living species evolved from. However, I do believe we are, as a species, egotistical enough to believe we're smart enough to determine such things. We're a young species enamoured by our most basic accomplishments. My faith in mother nature righting herself is set in history. Earth has survived an incredible birth in an inhospitable environment of nothingness. Several documented extinction level events. Nuclear war, disasters, and testing. I can't convince you that this rock is unbalanced. I can only encourage you read about carbon dioxide levels found in the historical record obtained through core samples. They've been higher than they are now. Whether or not the future generations of living species can adapt and evolve to live in that environment, nobody knows. The only constant is Earth and the extensive growing catalog of extinct species. Maybe reading the science on those isotopes levels will be your personal game changer. Read up on it. Even if you don't agree with it, you'll be better armed for a climate debate. That way you won't have to lead with something a retarded politician said. [/QUOTE]
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