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<blockquote data-quote="OSU" data-source="post: 1620936" data-attributes="member: 19837"><p>My view on welfare has always been this:</p><p>If someone is truly not able to work, i don't mind helping them. If someone is only able to work in limited capacity, I don't mind helping them. But for those who are able to work, and are not willing, i have no sympathy. I have no sympathy for people who cower behind disability and other such laws like something is owed to them. </p><p></p><p>On a side note: Many proponents of the welfare system try to blindly mock the christian doctrines, saying it is hypocritical to believe the bible and not try to help your fellow man. But this was discussed in Thessalonians:</p><p></p><p>2 Thessalonians 3:10</p><p>For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.</p><p></p><p>As far as infringing on rights. It is not a right granted by the constitution to put whatever you want in your own body, nor should it be. If drug abuse had no societal impact then I would agree that you should be able to do drugs if you want. But, when your rights infringe upon my rights, that is where I have a problem. When a crackhead steals a purse in a parking lot of afford a fix, that's a problem. When a parent who has lost his way with drugs abandons their family leaving them to fend for themselves, that is a problem. Drugs cause social problems that is why it is not a right to put whatever you want in your body.</p><p></p><p>If you are abusing drugs while on welfare, are you looking for a job, are you looking to get off government assistance, are you trying to better your life? No! I have no problem with NOT helping you.</p><p></p><p>As far a bureaucracy goes, that is a very moot point. I would AGREE, that government regulation seldom increases efficiency an in most cases is inefficient. In fact what this country needs is less regulation. However, you are regulating an inefficiency. Ask any economist, welfare is one the most inefficient practices done by the government. If there is a way to decrease the economic impact of this inefficiency (welfare) by regulating and weeding out those who intend to abuse it, then I would argue that the regulation is increasing efficiency by decreasing a inefficiency <img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OSU, post: 1620936, member: 19837"] My view on welfare has always been this: If someone is truly not able to work, i don't mind helping them. If someone is only able to work in limited capacity, I don't mind helping them. But for those who are able to work, and are not willing, i have no sympathy. I have no sympathy for people who cower behind disability and other such laws like something is owed to them. On a side note: Many proponents of the welfare system try to blindly mock the christian doctrines, saying it is hypocritical to believe the bible and not try to help your fellow man. But this was discussed in Thessalonians: 2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. As far as infringing on rights. It is not a right granted by the constitution to put whatever you want in your own body, nor should it be. If drug abuse had no societal impact then I would agree that you should be able to do drugs if you want. But, when your rights infringe upon my rights, that is where I have a problem. When a crackhead steals a purse in a parking lot of afford a fix, that's a problem. When a parent who has lost his way with drugs abandons their family leaving them to fend for themselves, that is a problem. Drugs cause social problems that is why it is not a right to put whatever you want in your body. If you are abusing drugs while on welfare, are you looking for a job, are you looking to get off government assistance, are you trying to better your life? No! I have no problem with NOT helping you. As far a bureaucracy goes, that is a very moot point. I would AGREE, that government regulation seldom increases efficiency an in most cases is inefficient. In fact what this country needs is less regulation. However, you are regulating an inefficiency. Ask any economist, welfare is one the most inefficient practices done by the government. If there is a way to decrease the economic impact of this inefficiency (welfare) by regulating and weeding out those who intend to abuse it, then I would argue that the regulation is increasing efficiency by decreasing a inefficiency :) [/QUOTE]
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