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Defnestor

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I hope that is true. But I'm not sure.

Prison becomes their home. My last duty station was Ft Leavenworth Ks. My neighbors on both sides were correction officers, and my commanding officer was a buddy of the Leavenworth Prison warden.

One guy that spent 40+ years there, and earned over $20K in money during his time working in the system was arrested two days after his release stealing a vehicle. He had the $20K in his possession.
Another guy that was a trustee, had enough freedom that he was allowed outside the walls to maintain the gardens/flower beds of the staff housing on the property without supervision.
He commonly walked across the street to the convience store to buy soda's.

A week before his time was up, he walked away and had to call the prison to report his own escape. He was in his 70's and had killed his parents when he was 17. He had no life other than prison. That was his life.

That is the reason I say they need some time to assimilate back into society before getting a gun legally.

Has anyone else read Heinlein's Starship Troopers, not the crappy movie, but actually read the book? Criminal punishment came down to a whipping, or death. Prison-free society.
 

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That's a really good argument for prison reform. The system we have now throws people out on the streets with no ability to function in normal society. If we're going to call it the Department of Corrections, maybe we ought to be helping them correct themselves.

There were several vocational programs available to the inmates. Attendance was voluntary. They received pay to attend. It wasn't much, and they were forced to put half of it into a savings plan so they would have money when they got out. The other half went to their credit account in the canteen.
Univac was teaching computer operation and programming, there was a large dairy and gardening operation that supplied the prison, a plant where military uniforms were produced and sewn.
Since it was Federal, there were programs where an inmate could attend classes to get a GED, and take classes that offered college credit.
Even with all of those programs, some inmates just prefer prison life. 3 squares a day and a dry bunk.
 

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Really? So under current laws, some guy convicted of armed robbery should be allowed to get an SDA License after he gets out of prison?


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Reading in fundimental. The bold underlined section is the amendment to the current law as signed by the gov. No one with a felony conviction will benifit from this bill, they will have to continue to obtain illegal firearms...as they currently do:

SUBJECT: Preclusive period for handgun license eligibility
BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
SECTION 1. AMENDATORY 21 O.S. 2011, Section 1290.10, as
amended by Section 1, Chapter 259, O.S.L. 2014 (21 O.S. Supp. 2014,
Section 1290.10), is amended to read as follows:
Section 1290.10.
MANDATORY PRECLUSIONS
In addition to the requirements stated in Section 1290.9 of this
title, the conditions stated in this section shall preclude a person
from eligibility for a handgun license pursuant to the provisions of
the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act. The occurrence of any one of the
following conditions shall deny the person the right to have a
handgun license pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma SelfDefense
Act. Prohibited conditions are:
ENR. S. B. NO. 164 Page 2
1. Ineligible to possess a pistol due to any felony conviction
or adjudication as a delinquent as provided by Section 1283 of this
title, except as provided in subsection B of Section 1283 of this
title;
2. Any felony conviction pursuant to any law of another state,
a felony conviction pursuant to any provision of the United States
Code, or any conviction pursuant to the laws of any foreign country,
provided such foreign conviction would constitute a felony offense
in this state if the offense had been committed in this state,
except as provided in subsection B of Section 1283 of this title;
3. Adjudication as a mentally incompetent person pursuant to
the provisions of the Oklahoma Mental Health Law, or an adjudication
of incompetency entered in another state pursuant to any provision
of law of that state, unless the person has been granted relief from
the disqualifying disability pursuant to Section 3 of this act
Section 1290.27 of this title;
4. Any false or misleading statement on the application for a
handgun license as provided by paragraph 5 of subsection A of
Section 1290.12 of this title;
5. Conviction of any one of the following misdemeanor offenses
in this state or in any other state:
a. any assault and battery which caused serious physical
injury to the victim, or any second or subsequent
assault and battery conviction,
b. any aggravated assault and battery,
c. any stalking pursuant to Section 1173 of this title,
or a similar law of another state,
d. a violation relating to the Protection from Domestic
Abuse Act or any violation of a victim protection
order of another state,
e. any conviction relating to illegal drug use or
possession, or
ENR. S. B. NO. 164 Page 3
f. an act of domestic abuse as defined by Section 644 of
this title or an act of domestic assault and battery
or any comparable acts under the laws of another
state.
The preclusive period for a misdemeanor conviction related to
illegal drug use or possession shall be ten (10) years from the date
of completion of a sentence. For purposes of this subsection, "date
of completion of a sentence" shall mean the day an offender
completes all incarceration, probation, and parole pertaining to
such sentence;

6. An attempted suicide or other condition relating to or
indicating mental instability or an unsound mind which occurred
within the preceding ten-year period from the date of the
application for a license to carry a concealed firearm or that
occurs during the period of licensure;
7. Currently undergoing treatment for a mental illness,
condition, or disorder. For purposes of this paragraph, "currently
undergoing treatment for a mental illness, condition, or disorder"
means the person has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as being
afflicted with a substantial disorder of thought, mood, perception,
psychological orientation, or memory that significantly impairs
judgment, behavior, capacity to recognize reality, or ability to
meet the ordinary demands of life;
8. Significant character defects of the applicant as evidenced
by a misdemeanor criminal record indicating habitual criminal
activity;
9. Ineligible to possess a pistol due to any provision of law
of this state or the United States Code, except as provided in
subsection B of Section 1283 of this title;
10. Failure to pay an assessed fine or surrender the handgun
license as required by a decision by the administrative hearing
examiner pursuant to authority of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act;
11. Being subject to an outstanding felony warrant issued in
this state or another state or the United States; or
ENR. S. B. NO. 164 Page 4
12. Adjudication as a delinquent as provided by Section 1283 of
this title, except as provided in subsection B of Section 1283 of
this title.
SECTION 2. This act shall become effective November 1, 2015.
 

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Rights come from the Creator, not from man or government.

If someone is dangerous, lock him up; if he's free, he deserves to have his rights--all of them--respected.
John Hinkly is about to become a free man. He alread gets 17 days a month unsupervised release and has been deamed "healed of his mental past". Should he be allowed to buy a gun? (The crime he commited, he shot President Reagan and Brady)
 

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I hope that is true. But I'm not sure.

Prison becomes their home. My last duty station was Ft Leavenworth Ks. My neighbors on both sides were correction officers, and my commanding officer was a buddy of the Leavenworth Prison warden.

One guy that spent 40+ years there, and earned over $20K in money during his time working in the system was arrested two days after his release stealing a vehicle. He had the $20K in his possession.
Another guy that was a trustee, had enough freedom that he was allowed outside the walls to maintain the gardens/flower beds of the staff housing on the property without supervision.
He commonly walked across the street to the convience store to buy soda's.

A week before his time was up, he walked away and had to call the prison to report his own escape. He was in his 70's and had killed his parents when he was 17. He had no life other than prison. That was his life.

That is the reason I say they need some time to assimilate back into society before getting a gun legally.
Reminds me of one of my favorite movies, Shawshank Redemption
 

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John Hinkly is about to become a free man. He alread gets 17 days a month unsupervised release and has been deamed "healed of his mental past". Should he be allowed to buy a gun? (The crime he commited, he shot President Reagan and Brady)

He should be allowed to do whatever he wants, and someone should explain to him that Obama has been screwing Jodie Foster in humiliating ways for the last few years
 

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So what's the benefit?

How are we serfs any safer if he can still get a gun? How do we benefit from adding on charges for rule-breaking where there is no victim?

Wish I knew the answer Ted; I just know it might cause him to get more time in prison the next time and thus, be off the streets.


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It might just be this:
If the criminal is a danger to society, he needs to be in jail for his crime. (crime, by my definition, must have a tangible victim)
If he is eligible for early release, and the pardon and parole board deem him fit to re-enter society, so be it. When his parole period is over, all rights restored. (assuming he has not re-offended)

If he re-offends in a violent manner, send him back to the pen, and punish the board members who cut him loose early.
 

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