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<blockquote data-quote="Mad Professor" data-source="post: 3534303" data-attributes="member: 5316"><p>I’ve spent a bit of time with some. I own a product from Next level training called LASR. One I have also used is called Smokeless Range. Smokeless range is leaps and bounds above LASR or most other products I have seen without getting into a 20-25K plus system. </p><p></p><p>A few things I have found: </p><p>Visible laser systems.... well.... suck. You have to use the sights on your gun a shot indicating visible laser causes your focus to shift. </p><p></p><p>You need to simulate recoil. You need the interruption of the sights. Otherwise it is not much better than dry firing a single shot. </p><p></p><p>The “gun” being used has to reset. </p><p></p><p>Smokeless range uses infrared lasers/cameras and a variety of ways to use them including barrel assemblies and rail mounted devices. In combination with a quality Airsoft pistol things work pretty well. </p><p></p><p>Coolfire makes a Co2 drop in barrel recoil kit for many firearms with optional visible or infrared laser adapters. I own a couple of coolfire barrel kits and they do not work as well as my two UMEREX Airsoft (full slide action models) guns. Although they fit into a real firearm, the shot impulse is sluggish and degraded very quickly with a few fast shots. The green gas air soft works much better and CO2 seems to have a slight edge producing more recoil and more shots. </p><p></p><p>MantisX has one they are releasing. While I love my Mantisx X10 and see a very valid use of it with the dry, simulation, and live fire, I was not impressed with the information I’ve seen released for it so far. </p><p></p><p>While the simulation systems are fun, they are much more than a game or toy and have real world uses. </p><p></p><p>A complete laser training simulation system with real benefits is an expensive undertaking. Pretty much a $3-5K expenditure most people will not do. Some of the cheap options can build training scars instead of providing helpful training/practice. Also there is a difference between training and practice that many people have a problem grasping. It depends on the level a person is at and how they are able to apply these tools. </p><p></p><p></p><p>There is a system being installed and configured in the OKC metro area. I’m not sure in what ways it will be available, but it is pretty exciting to me. It should create some unique training opportunities at a fraction of the ammo cost for similar live fire training. In my opinion, simulation cannot 100% replace live fire, but it is a very viable option to augment and substitute quite a bit a live fire. I’ll let someone more appropriate comment on the specifics in this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mad Professor, post: 3534303, member: 5316"] I’ve spent a bit of time with some. I own a product from Next level training called LASR. One I have also used is called Smokeless Range. Smokeless range is leaps and bounds above LASR or most other products I have seen without getting into a 20-25K plus system. A few things I have found: Visible laser systems.... well.... suck. You have to use the sights on your gun a shot indicating visible laser causes your focus to shift. You need to simulate recoil. You need the interruption of the sights. Otherwise it is not much better than dry firing a single shot. The “gun” being used has to reset. Smokeless range uses infrared lasers/cameras and a variety of ways to use them including barrel assemblies and rail mounted devices. In combination with a quality Airsoft pistol things work pretty well. Coolfire makes a Co2 drop in barrel recoil kit for many firearms with optional visible or infrared laser adapters. I own a couple of coolfire barrel kits and they do not work as well as my two UMEREX Airsoft (full slide action models) guns. Although they fit into a real firearm, the shot impulse is sluggish and degraded very quickly with a few fast shots. The green gas air soft works much better and CO2 seems to have a slight edge producing more recoil and more shots. MantisX has one they are releasing. While I love my Mantisx X10 and see a very valid use of it with the dry, simulation, and live fire, I was not impressed with the information I’ve seen released for it so far. While the simulation systems are fun, they are much more than a game or toy and have real world uses. A complete laser training simulation system with real benefits is an expensive undertaking. Pretty much a $3-5K expenditure most people will not do. Some of the cheap options can build training scars instead of providing helpful training/practice. Also there is a difference between training and practice that many people have a problem grasping. It depends on the level a person is at and how they are able to apply these tools. There is a system being installed and configured in the OKC metro area. I’m not sure in what ways it will be available, but it is pretty exciting to me. It should create some unique training opportunities at a fraction of the ammo cost for similar live fire training. In my opinion, simulation cannot 100% replace live fire, but it is a very viable option to augment and substitute quite a bit a live fire. I’ll let someone more appropriate comment on the specifics in this. [/QUOTE]
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