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<blockquote data-quote="NightShade" data-source="post: 2965369" data-attributes="member: 29706"><p>DSL is a digital signal and does not work well after about 18000 feet from a CO or RT (Central Office, Remote Terminal). We all know what the CO looks like but an RT is much bigger than the standard green boxes. <a href="https://www.google.com/search?biw=1536&bih=774&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ATT+Remote+terminal+pic&oq=ATT+Remote+terminal+pic&gs_l=img.3...10132.15410.0.15686.20.15.2.0.0.0.316.1869.2-5j2.7.0....0...1c.1.64.img..14.1.248...0j0i67k1.bk3njHaqfh4" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?biw=1536&bih=774&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ATT+Remote+terminal+pic&oq=ATT+Remote+terminal+pic&gs_l=img.3...10132.15410.0.15686.20.15.2.0.0.0.316.1869.2-5j2.7.0....0...1c.1.64.img..14.1.248...0j0i67k1.bk3njHaqfh4</a> is what you would be looking for with an RT. </p><p></p><p>There are also a couple other things to think about with DSL, the wire size does matter. The older lines were fine for phone but the gauge is too small to properly work with a digital signal. Corrosion at some point would still allow a phone to work ok but a DSL will have TONS of problems. And the 18000 feet is wirefeet not just distance. Sometimes the lines will take a VERY different route than you would expect from the CO or RT, it could go right past your place and two blocks away to a distribution point and then come back to you adding just enough that a signal is not viable. And in some area's they used to put in a thing that I can not remember the name of but basically acted like a big inductor with ALL the lines for an area wound through it. Basically it was used to borrow some power from the lines and keep them all powered extending the viable distance for phone service. The inductance KILLS DSL lines. Also the farther down the wireline you are from the CO the more reduced the speeds will be. At the max distance a lot of companies will not even try to install a line because it will be ridden with troubleshoot calls.</p><p></p><p>The U-Verse is actually a different type of DSL called DSL2 or VDSL. It has higher speeds available but also has even more limitations than regular DSL, it works on the same principals and still only uses two wires but has a higher frequency among other things. It requires a different DSLAM as well as a different DSL bridge as the CPE than ADSL that is more commonly available. Most of the newer bridges (DSL nor cable actually use modem's as the signal's are all digital so not MODulate DEModulate is needed but the moniker of MODEM has stuck for most people) are made to work with DSL2 but are backwards compatible.</p><p></p><p>There is TONS of work being done to increase speeds and a lot of it requires fiber to be laid out as far as possible. Even the cable systems are running fiber to the node to support the Gigabit speeds they want to push but it's a slow process, hence the Gigablast commercials from Cox but little to no availability. Anyone saying next year is FULL of it. It may start rolling out next year but the farther from the CO the longer it will take to all be finished so figure around 5 years for it to be to you especially if you are farther out. And if you need proof look at Google Fiber, they are still laying fiber in Kansas City and it's already been about 5 years since it started. Anything that is still in the design phase it at least 8 to 10 years out as once the design is completed there is testing and even then the companies want proof before they invest in a huge infrastructure change.</p><p></p><p>I agree that if you are going to do the phone line route it should work to get them to lay the line for a lot less or even free. Otherwise like I said earlier a personal wireless link is a much better option than a cellular connection especially for streaming. It will still cost but you may even be able to offset the costs if other people are interested in a faster internet connection as well. That is how a lot of WISP's get started, basically start a Co-Op and make sure that you get a business line if you are going to split it that way. Each person pays a monthly fee for maintenance and to offset the cost of the broadcast equipment and then purchases their own CPE to hook up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NightShade, post: 2965369, member: 29706"] DSL is a digital signal and does not work well after about 18000 feet from a CO or RT (Central Office, Remote Terminal). We all know what the CO looks like but an RT is much bigger than the standard green boxes. [URL]https://www.google.com/search?biw=1536&bih=774&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=ATT+Remote+terminal+pic&oq=ATT+Remote+terminal+pic&gs_l=img.3...10132.15410.0.15686.20.15.2.0.0.0.316.1869.2-5j2.7.0....0...1c.1.64.img..14.1.248...0j0i67k1.bk3njHaqfh4[/URL] is what you would be looking for with an RT. There are also a couple other things to think about with DSL, the wire size does matter. The older lines were fine for phone but the gauge is too small to properly work with a digital signal. Corrosion at some point would still allow a phone to work ok but a DSL will have TONS of problems. And the 18000 feet is wirefeet not just distance. Sometimes the lines will take a VERY different route than you would expect from the CO or RT, it could go right past your place and two blocks away to a distribution point and then come back to you adding just enough that a signal is not viable. And in some area's they used to put in a thing that I can not remember the name of but basically acted like a big inductor with ALL the lines for an area wound through it. Basically it was used to borrow some power from the lines and keep them all powered extending the viable distance for phone service. The inductance KILLS DSL lines. Also the farther down the wireline you are from the CO the more reduced the speeds will be. At the max distance a lot of companies will not even try to install a line because it will be ridden with troubleshoot calls. The U-Verse is actually a different type of DSL called DSL2 or VDSL. It has higher speeds available but also has even more limitations than regular DSL, it works on the same principals and still only uses two wires but has a higher frequency among other things. It requires a different DSLAM as well as a different DSL bridge as the CPE than ADSL that is more commonly available. Most of the newer bridges (DSL nor cable actually use modem's as the signal's are all digital so not MODulate DEModulate is needed but the moniker of MODEM has stuck for most people) are made to work with DSL2 but are backwards compatible. There is TONS of work being done to increase speeds and a lot of it requires fiber to be laid out as far as possible. Even the cable systems are running fiber to the node to support the Gigabit speeds they want to push but it's a slow process, hence the Gigablast commercials from Cox but little to no availability. Anyone saying next year is FULL of it. It may start rolling out next year but the farther from the CO the longer it will take to all be finished so figure around 5 years for it to be to you especially if you are farther out. And if you need proof look at Google Fiber, they are still laying fiber in Kansas City and it's already been about 5 years since it started. Anything that is still in the design phase it at least 8 to 10 years out as once the design is completed there is testing and even then the companies want proof before they invest in a huge infrastructure change. I agree that if you are going to do the phone line route it should work to get them to lay the line for a lot less or even free. Otherwise like I said earlier a personal wireless link is a much better option than a cellular connection especially for streaming. It will still cost but you may even be able to offset the costs if other people are interested in a faster internet connection as well. That is how a lot of WISP's get started, basically start a Co-Op and make sure that you get a business line if you are going to split it that way. Each person pays a monthly fee for maintenance and to offset the cost of the broadcast equipment and then purchases their own CPE to hook up. [/QUOTE]
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