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FDNY.......Is this lady FF a liability?
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<blockquote data-quote="cmhbob" data-source="post: 2348180" data-attributes="member: 20220"><p>As long as the standard is applied equally to all genders and races and <em>classes of employees</em>, I'm fine. There are some departments where the only time you take an agility test is when you're hired. If you're going to enforce a standard at hiring, enforce it for continued employment. </p><p></p><p>That said: she missed the standard by 20 seconds. She's clearly capable of meeting the standard. Why she can't push herself a little harder is not for us to discern or excuse. Train hard this year with a friend who's a good runner, and come back next year. Then again, the department has already invested an academy class in her, so they should do their best to salvage her, assuming the rest of her performance met standards.</p><p></p><p>When I was in the Army, I failed my End-of-Cycle PT test for Basic. I hate running - always have - and missed it by about 45 seconds. I was pushed back three weeks to a New Start company, and finally passed the EOC test for Basic. At the end of AIT, I failed it again, 3 times. The last failure was less than 15 seconds on the run. That should have sent me home. But my Drill Sergeant went to bat for me with the Battalion Commander, and she agreed to waive the last failure if I could pass one one my own. At 2100, that DS walked me out to the track, lined me up, and yelled "Go!" After the first lap, he realized I was off the pace, so he ran with me the rest of the run to pace me. After he had already done 6 miles earlier in the day! I made it by almost a full minute, thanks to him. /shrug. </p><p></p><p>Is this the only thing she's failing? Can they put her in an office position for 3 or 6 months? Seems a waste to fire her at this point without recovering some of the investment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cmhbob, post: 2348180, member: 20220"] As long as the standard is applied equally to all genders and races and [I]classes of employees[/I], I'm fine. There are some departments where the only time you take an agility test is when you're hired. If you're going to enforce a standard at hiring, enforce it for continued employment. That said: she missed the standard by 20 seconds. She's clearly capable of meeting the standard. Why she can't push herself a little harder is not for us to discern or excuse. Train hard this year with a friend who's a good runner, and come back next year. Then again, the department has already invested an academy class in her, so they should do their best to salvage her, assuming the rest of her performance met standards. When I was in the Army, I failed my End-of-Cycle PT test for Basic. I hate running - always have - and missed it by about 45 seconds. I was pushed back three weeks to a New Start company, and finally passed the EOC test for Basic. At the end of AIT, I failed it again, 3 times. The last failure was less than 15 seconds on the run. That should have sent me home. But my Drill Sergeant went to bat for me with the Battalion Commander, and she agreed to waive the last failure if I could pass one one my own. At 2100, that DS walked me out to the track, lined me up, and yelled "Go!" After the first lap, he realized I was off the pace, so he ran with me the rest of the run to pace me. After he had already done 6 miles earlier in the day! I made it by almost a full minute, thanks to him. /shrug. Is this the only thing she's failing? Can they put her in an office position for 3 or 6 months? Seems a waste to fire her at this point without recovering some of the investment. [/QUOTE]
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