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<blockquote data-quote="Deer Slayer" data-source="post: 1291782" data-attributes="member: 8855"><p>I have had an interesting experience. The deer are eating my watercress and lilly pads which are located in my 300 gallon water garden. They have almost eaten it down to the waterline.</p><p></p><p>Now getting down to business.</p><p></p><p>Dealing with grass in food plots.</p><p></p><p> In approx 2-3 weeks the grass in my approx 10 acres of food plots which was sprayed with Clethodim 2E, a selective herbicide for grass only,on Sunday will be dead at my farm. The dallis grass which was pretty thick will be matted on the ground. The thick grass will ball up under the tiller.</p><p></p><p> Clethodim can be purchased at Estes Chemical Co (405-232-2493) in OKC ask for L.D. or Darrell. The chemical costs currently $105/ gallon plus $25.00 for a 2.5 gallon container of crop oil surfactant The application rate is 8 ounces/acre plus 1.5 pints of crop oil/acre. This equates to Clethodim 2E covering 16 acres/ gallon or $8.48 / acre to spray which is cheaper than ROUNDUP. It just kills grass and will not harm anything else that is not a grass so your clover and alfalfa etc are safe. Twice a growing season spraying should keep your plots free of invasive grasses which out competes the "good plants" for nutrients and moisture.</p><p></p><p>ROUNDUP (Glyphosate) can be used to initially to rid a plot of all vegetation at a rate of 2 ounces/gallon of water plus SURFKING surfactant. My spray rig is callibrated to spray 25 gallons of water/acre at 3 mph. So I use 50 ounces of agricultural strength glyphosate (43%) plus 1 pint of SURFKING per 25 gallons of water.</p><p></p><p> Clethodim 2E and Glyphosate are agricultural strength products that cannot be purchased at Lowes or Home Depot. Homeowner strength ROUNDUP can be purchased at Lowes etc but it will not be as effective as ag strength because it is approx. 1/3 the concentration. There is a huge savings when you buy ag strength from a dealer versus buying homeowner strength from Lowes/Home Depot.</p><p></p><p> I am currently tilling my soil only 3" deep as it saves time and fuel compared to tilling 6" deep. The end result is still the same. I have a good seed bed that is well fluffed.</p><p></p><p>Ok, what do I do to reduce the balling of the grass under the tiller? I had this same problem on my Okla Co property. I made 3 laps around the plot with my tiller to provide a fire break and I performed a controlled burn. How do I do a controlled burn you ask? Well the wind was low on that particular day. I always try to burn when the wind is either around 12 mph or less which can be accomplished during a semi calm day or when the burn is in the timber which acts as a wind block. It also can be done in late afternoon when the wind is laying down for the night.Next I mix my igniter solution which is a blend of 3 parts diesel to 1 part regular gas and put it in an empty DAWN dishwashing bottle. I pick up a stick or dead limb that is long enough to comfortably reach the ground and dribble some ignition solution on the end tip and light it. I begin the burn on the downwind side of the plot so I am burning into the wind. I burn into the wind so I can easily control the flames. If I burned with the wind then the flames would quickly get out of hand and I would be in trouble. The fire burns slowly and consumes the grass or brush that may be in your way. When this is complete then I start tilling/discing the soil putting under the new fertilizer called ash. The only drawback is the soot cloud that comes up around you. Wear a herbicide/pesticide respirator that can be purchased from Home Depot or Lowes. This keeps your sinuses from getting plugged up with soot and dust. It sure helps on my sinus headaches.<img src="/images/smilies/new/woohoo1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":woohoo1:" title="Woohoo1 :woohoo1:" data-shortname=":woohoo1:" /></p><p></p><p> If your plots are small say 1/4 acre then this should be easy to do. If your plots are feeding plots and larger than 1 acre then you need to contact your local fire department or fire tower and give them the location of your site. This is appreciated by them and keeps you from having to possibly pay for a false alarm fire call. It does happen. I have burned up to 25 acres at 1 time with a helper and myself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deer Slayer, post: 1291782, member: 8855"] I have had an interesting experience. The deer are eating my watercress and lilly pads which are located in my 300 gallon water garden. They have almost eaten it down to the waterline. Now getting down to business. Dealing with grass in food plots. In approx 2-3 weeks the grass in my approx 10 acres of food plots which was sprayed with Clethodim 2E, a selective herbicide for grass only,on Sunday will be dead at my farm. The dallis grass which was pretty thick will be matted on the ground. The thick grass will ball up under the tiller. Clethodim can be purchased at Estes Chemical Co (405-232-2493) in OKC ask for L.D. or Darrell. The chemical costs currently $105/ gallon plus $25.00 for a 2.5 gallon container of crop oil surfactant The application rate is 8 ounces/acre plus 1.5 pints of crop oil/acre. This equates to Clethodim 2E covering 16 acres/ gallon or $8.48 / acre to spray which is cheaper than ROUNDUP. It just kills grass and will not harm anything else that is not a grass so your clover and alfalfa etc are safe. Twice a growing season spraying should keep your plots free of invasive grasses which out competes the "good plants" for nutrients and moisture. ROUNDUP (Glyphosate) can be used to initially to rid a plot of all vegetation at a rate of 2 ounces/gallon of water plus SURFKING surfactant. My spray rig is callibrated to spray 25 gallons of water/acre at 3 mph. So I use 50 ounces of agricultural strength glyphosate (43%) plus 1 pint of SURFKING per 25 gallons of water. Clethodim 2E and Glyphosate are agricultural strength products that cannot be purchased at Lowes or Home Depot. Homeowner strength ROUNDUP can be purchased at Lowes etc but it will not be as effective as ag strength because it is approx. 1/3 the concentration. There is a huge savings when you buy ag strength from a dealer versus buying homeowner strength from Lowes/Home Depot. I am currently tilling my soil only 3" deep as it saves time and fuel compared to tilling 6" deep. The end result is still the same. I have a good seed bed that is well fluffed. Ok, what do I do to reduce the balling of the grass under the tiller? I had this same problem on my Okla Co property. I made 3 laps around the plot with my tiller to provide a fire break and I performed a controlled burn. How do I do a controlled burn you ask? Well the wind was low on that particular day. I always try to burn when the wind is either around 12 mph or less which can be accomplished during a semi calm day or when the burn is in the timber which acts as a wind block. It also can be done in late afternoon when the wind is laying down for the night.Next I mix my igniter solution which is a blend of 3 parts diesel to 1 part regular gas and put it in an empty DAWN dishwashing bottle. I pick up a stick or dead limb that is long enough to comfortably reach the ground and dribble some ignition solution on the end tip and light it. I begin the burn on the downwind side of the plot so I am burning into the wind. I burn into the wind so I can easily control the flames. If I burned with the wind then the flames would quickly get out of hand and I would be in trouble. The fire burns slowly and consumes the grass or brush that may be in your way. When this is complete then I start tilling/discing the soil putting under the new fertilizer called ash. The only drawback is the soot cloud that comes up around you. Wear a herbicide/pesticide respirator that can be purchased from Home Depot or Lowes. This keeps your sinuses from getting plugged up with soot and dust. It sure helps on my sinus headaches.:woohoo1: If your plots are small say 1/4 acre then this should be easy to do. If your plots are feeding plots and larger than 1 acre then you need to contact your local fire department or fire tower and give them the location of your site. This is appreciated by them and keeps you from having to possibly pay for a false alarm fire call. It does happen. I have burned up to 25 acres at 1 time with a helper and myself. [/QUOTE]
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