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<blockquote data-quote="Murph" data-source="post: 2030571" data-attributes="member: 8602"><p>I'm old enough to remember when the anti's could just pull numbers out of the air, and the news would report their claims as gospel. In those days the 'conversation' consisted of their talking points being reported as news, and failing to report any of our side of the equation. That didn't fly after about ?2005?, when some gun-banner had made some really ludicrous claims that wouldn't stand up to the newly discovered fact checking that was starting to be possible. The Dallas Morning News and the Denton Record Chronicle had a letter to the editor war on their op-ed pages every couple of days for about a month. Come to think of it, that might be the first time I had encountered a non-gun specific publication that allowed the pro-gun side to 'win'. Of course this was in Texas. =)</p><p></p><p>I worry that we will let the anti's start the ball rolling by trotting out same old nonsense. I don't want to give back any of the progress the pro-gun forces have managed to accomplish. I haven't made up my mind if the publications typified by The Atlantic are really trying to get our message out, or if they are trying to set us up.</p><p>I encountered the why don't we regulate guns when we regulate toys foolishness from this op-ed. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/opinion/13kristof.html?_r=0" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/opinion/13kristof.html?_r=0</a></p><p>If you can find all of the places where he says one thing on the surface, while planting the barb underneath, you will have more skill in recognizing and refuting the anti's propaganda. The quick answer to the toys BS, we don't use toys for self-defence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Murph, post: 2030571, member: 8602"] I'm old enough to remember when the anti's could just pull numbers out of the air, and the news would report their claims as gospel. In those days the 'conversation' consisted of their talking points being reported as news, and failing to report any of our side of the equation. That didn't fly after about ?2005?, when some gun-banner had made some really ludicrous claims that wouldn't stand up to the newly discovered fact checking that was starting to be possible. The Dallas Morning News and the Denton Record Chronicle had a letter to the editor war on their op-ed pages every couple of days for about a month. Come to think of it, that might be the first time I had encountered a non-gun specific publication that allowed the pro-gun side to 'win'. Of course this was in Texas. =) I worry that we will let the anti's start the ball rolling by trotting out same old nonsense. I don't want to give back any of the progress the pro-gun forces have managed to accomplish. I haven't made up my mind if the publications typified by The Atlantic are really trying to get our message out, or if they are trying to set us up. I encountered the why don't we regulate guns when we regulate toys foolishness from this op-ed. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/opinion/13kristof.html?_r=0[/url] If you can find all of the places where he says one thing on the surface, while planting the barb underneath, you will have more skill in recognizing and refuting the anti's propaganda. The quick answer to the toys BS, we don't use toys for self-defence. [/QUOTE]
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