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<blockquote data-quote="Snattlerake" data-source="post: 3250201" data-attributes="member: 44288"><p>Because it is their job to investigate for all criminal activity. I cannot tell you the ratio of traffic stops for only traffic offences that have led to major felony arrests all because through questioning the police officer noticed something was suspicious. Let's use Timothy McVeigh as an example. Either the people in the vehicle's stories didn't jive, someone in the car stuffed something under the seat, some dumbass left a crack pipe in plain view, there is a magazine but no gun, in McVeigh's case, the trooper sees a gun in a shoulder holster. </p><p></p><p>As Americans, the United States Constitution along with The Bill of Rights is what we hold dear to our hearts. It is what has founded this great nation and sets us apart from all other nations. It is what our laws are tempered with because the Magna Carta is what our laws are based on. Due to the constitution and it's associated documents, our rule of law is tilted more in favor of the accused than the state as the state has the burden of proof. The proof is obtained by the use of tools like reasonable suspicion and probable cause by sworn and trained personnel to gather evidence. The officers are trained to ask leading, rhetorical and open ended questions, to do this. Merely asking a question to identify oneself is not a violation of rights. If there is suspicion of wrongdoing, then the officers can make them produce ID. "Shoving a camera" in the officer's face and refusing to identify are two different things. After the encounter has reached the point of reasonable suspicion and especially probable cause, all of the refusal to ID goes out the window. </p><p></p><p>The media has perpetuated this mantra to the point it has uneducated, if you will, the general public to increase the resistance of officers which in turn escalates into use of force situations. Many a state law states the person may not resist arrest by a peace officer even if the arrest may be unlawful.</p><p></p><p>The officer <em>has</em> to be observant, or he could be dead. As SPDguns has surmised, RKM has never worn their shoes but thinks he knows cops because his relatives have had discussions with him. If you have never walked up on a car load of people at 3 a.m. out in the boonies where your only backup is 50 or more miles away...If you have never said to yourself every day before you go to work the mantra every cop says, "I'm coming home safe after shift,"...If you have never fought for your life in hand to hand combat trying only to subdue to arrest only escalating the force after the suspect does... you weren't there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snattlerake, post: 3250201, member: 44288"] Because it is their job to investigate for all criminal activity. I cannot tell you the ratio of traffic stops for only traffic offences that have led to major felony arrests all because through questioning the police officer noticed something was suspicious. Let's use Timothy McVeigh as an example. Either the people in the vehicle's stories didn't jive, someone in the car stuffed something under the seat, some dumbass left a crack pipe in plain view, there is a magazine but no gun, in McVeigh's case, the trooper sees a gun in a shoulder holster. As Americans, the United States Constitution along with The Bill of Rights is what we hold dear to our hearts. It is what has founded this great nation and sets us apart from all other nations. It is what our laws are tempered with because the Magna Carta is what our laws are based on. Due to the constitution and it's associated documents, our rule of law is tilted more in favor of the accused than the state as the state has the burden of proof. The proof is obtained by the use of tools like reasonable suspicion and probable cause by sworn and trained personnel to gather evidence. The officers are trained to ask leading, rhetorical and open ended questions, to do this. Merely asking a question to identify oneself is not a violation of rights. If there is suspicion of wrongdoing, then the officers can make them produce ID. "Shoving a camera" in the officer's face and refusing to identify are two different things. After the encounter has reached the point of reasonable suspicion and especially probable cause, all of the refusal to ID goes out the window. The media has perpetuated this mantra to the point it has uneducated, if you will, the general public to increase the resistance of officers which in turn escalates into use of force situations. Many a state law states the person may not resist arrest by a peace officer even if the arrest may be unlawful. The officer [I]has[/I] to be observant, or he could be dead. As SPDguns has surmised, RKM has never worn their shoes but thinks he knows cops because his relatives have had discussions with him. If you have never walked up on a car load of people at 3 a.m. out in the boonies where your only backup is 50 or more miles away...If you have never said to yourself every day before you go to work the mantra every cop says, "I'm coming home safe after shift,"...If you have never fought for your life in hand to hand combat trying only to subdue to arrest only escalating the force after the suspect does... you weren't there. [/QUOTE]
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