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<blockquote data-quote="HoLeChit" data-source="post: 3665735" data-attributes="member: 35036"><p>I agree wholeheartedly. It is our responsibility as the human race to take care of our world (even for you religious folks, if I’m not mistaken it was the first thing god told Adam). But at the same time, we have to rely upon the earth to maintain homeostasis. Too much meddling does not result in good things. Gas cars aren’t great, but electric cars are even worse, even with the currently underpowered infrastructure that cannot support them. If you look at the difference between just what it takes to build an electric car, vs what emissions/carbon whatever a diesel car emits during its lifetime/build process the diesel emits far less. Electric vehicles at this point are simply a status symbol.</p><p> </p><p>Plunging our nation, or any number of wealthy nations, into poverty and ruin for the sake of saving the environment just doesn’t work. Just look at all the other third world countries in the world and what they produce. Should we invest in clean energy? Sure. But currently we’re doing it all wrong. Wind power end up with a negative carbon signature when it’s at the end of its life, and it cannot be recycled. (Maybe positive? I dunno. They take more carbon to make and maintain than they produce/save in their lifetimes.) Not at least in a cost effective manner. Old turbines get cut up and buried. Look it up, interesting stuff. Electric cars and batteries cause unbelievable damage when they need materials extracted from the earth, far more than fossil fuels. Strip mines for lithium can be miles wide holes in the ground. Oil wells are between 10 and 30 inches wide at the surface. We don’t even have a good way to recycle or reuse electric car parts or batteries. That all just gets thrown in a hole at the moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HoLeChit, post: 3665735, member: 35036"] I agree wholeheartedly. It is our responsibility as the human race to take care of our world (even for you religious folks, if I’m not mistaken it was the first thing god told Adam). But at the same time, we have to rely upon the earth to maintain homeostasis. Too much meddling does not result in good things. Gas cars aren’t great, but electric cars are even worse, even with the currently underpowered infrastructure that cannot support them. If you look at the difference between just what it takes to build an electric car, vs what emissions/carbon whatever a diesel car emits during its lifetime/build process the diesel emits far less. Electric vehicles at this point are simply a status symbol. Plunging our nation, or any number of wealthy nations, into poverty and ruin for the sake of saving the environment just doesn’t work. Just look at all the other third world countries in the world and what they produce. Should we invest in clean energy? Sure. But currently we’re doing it all wrong. Wind power end up with a negative carbon signature when it’s at the end of its life, and it cannot be recycled. (Maybe positive? I dunno. They take more carbon to make and maintain than they produce/save in their lifetimes.) Not at least in a cost effective manner. Old turbines get cut up and buried. Look it up, interesting stuff. Electric cars and batteries cause unbelievable damage when they need materials extracted from the earth, far more than fossil fuels. Strip mines for lithium can be miles wide holes in the ground. Oil wells are between 10 and 30 inches wide at the surface. We don’t even have a good way to recycle or reuse electric car parts or batteries. That all just gets thrown in a hole at the moment. [/QUOTE]
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