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<blockquote data-quote="David2012" data-source="post: 1807003" data-attributes="member: 24428"><p>On its face, this is a terrible story. He should have never raised his voice..as it can make people with guns appear irrational. You don't want to come across as unbalanced like ole Howard Dean did when he was yelling during his Yee-Haw campaign speech.</p><p></p><p>My attitude is if a business asks you to leave because you have a gun.. don't ever argue or raise your voice.... because that is a argument you are <u>not</u> gonna win 100% of the time and you don't want the police showing up... so just be pleasant and comply. </p><p></p><p>In my city and in most cities, the police can issue a trespass warning at a business or home owner's request and you could end-up being permanently barred from the property, including the parking lot. Then, if you ever do have a real problem involving your weapon.. you sure don't want a county prosecutor being able to say that this wasn't the first issue you had involving a weapon.. that police had been called to a previous incident involving you and a weapon where a business or property owner had you posted from trespassing.</p><p></p><p>It is so simple to go to your car, leave the weapon in it and then return to shopping or having a discussion with management. </p><p></p><p>And I don't ever tell the store management that I will never shop there again [even if I don't plan too]... as you might end-up eating those words in the future. I've found that when you draw a line in the sand... people won't be willing to back down, because they feel it makes them look weak. They have just as much pride as you do. You have to leave room for bargaining without a 'you give in to my demands or else' attitude. You can see a example of that playing out in Washington's politics right now.</p><p></p><p>I would prefer to show the business that I am a co-operative, sensible & responsible person legally licensed to carry a firearm and try to change the store's policy via good conduct and friendly interaction. 'Burning bridges behind you' is never the best option.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="David2012, post: 1807003, member: 24428"] On its face, this is a terrible story. He should have never raised his voice..as it can make people with guns appear irrational. You don't want to come across as unbalanced like ole Howard Dean did when he was yelling during his Yee-Haw campaign speech. My attitude is if a business asks you to leave because you have a gun.. don't ever argue or raise your voice.... because that is a argument you are [U]not[/U] gonna win 100% of the time and you don't want the police showing up... so just be pleasant and comply. In my city and in most cities, the police can issue a trespass warning at a business or home owner's request and you could end-up being permanently barred from the property, including the parking lot. Then, if you ever do have a real problem involving your weapon.. you sure don't want a county prosecutor being able to say that this wasn't the first issue you had involving a weapon.. that police had been called to a previous incident involving you and a weapon where a business or property owner had you posted from trespassing. It is so simple to go to your car, leave the weapon in it and then return to shopping or having a discussion with management. And I don't ever tell the store management that I will never shop there again [even if I don't plan too]... as you might end-up eating those words in the future. I've found that when you draw a line in the sand... people won't be willing to back down, because they feel it makes them look weak. They have just as much pride as you do. You have to leave room for bargaining without a 'you give in to my demands or else' attitude. You can see a example of that playing out in Washington's politics right now. I would prefer to show the business that I am a co-operative, sensible & responsible person legally licensed to carry a firearm and try to change the store's policy via good conduct and friendly interaction. 'Burning bridges behind you' is never the best option. [/QUOTE]
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