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<blockquote data-quote="vdub" data-source="post: 1565712" data-attributes="member: 6845"><p>Please do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No emotions involved in my response. You can take the response however you want because this is a free country. However what I said was regarding to your train of thought. Obviously no one person is probably to blame. However, a lot of people, doing what you are doing, by rationalizing the taking away of rights by making the connections you did are to blame.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think anywhere in there I said "I am right, you are wrong." If I wanted to say "I am right, you are wrong.", then I would have just said it. The thing is with the way I believe, I wouldn't impose restriction on yours or anyone's rights based on how I believe. With the way you believe, it seems like you are fine with restricting mine and others' rights because you think it will prevent something from happening.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The examples you stated with the X-ray, pat downs, and searches are exactly how it all starts. The question is where does it end? This is exactly what I commented on how people accept the very slow erroding of their rights. I make the decision to not fly unless it is the only logical solution to get where I need to go. If I make the decision to fly I realize I will have to follow all the restrictions. Do I agree with all of them? Nope. I think there are plenty of other ways to eliminate the need for X-rays, pat downs, and searches but we don't want to offend anyone do we?!?</p><p></p><p>I do not believe I said I want all guns for everyone as you seem to want to suggest. Obviously that is not going to happen with our current system so to think it can all go away is not logical. I do want all guns for everyone that can legally own them under the current system. That would be the first step under this system and would be a great step forward. For children, their parents should be more active in knowing what their kids are doing and the parents should be the judge if the kid should have a gun. My dad bought me a 22 before I was 12. Did I end up shooting someone or committing crimes? No!! I think if more parents were proactive and part of their kid's daily life, a lot of the problems wouldn't exist. Instead of letting Playstation or Xbox or TV babysit your kid, why don't the parents get involved? This country has become the "Wasn't my fault" or "My baby didn't do nothing" country because everything that happens is not anyone's fault.</p><p></p><p>As for the mentally handicapped, I would first ask the question how many do you think would actually go out and buy one in the first place? Is this more of preventing something that might not ever happen? As for felons, do you think the current laws actually stop felons from getting guns? They must be doing great huh!?!? Still reducing the rights of the law-abiding to prevent the criminals?!?! That does not seem to be working very well, even the ATF cannot follow this law.</p><p></p><p>About your communism comment, it is funny you say that because it worked for so long back in the past. Until this country started the welfare culture that exists today, that is exactly what was happening. However, it has slowly been erroded to what we have today. Kind of sad really.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vdub, post: 1565712, member: 6845"] Please do. No emotions involved in my response. You can take the response however you want because this is a free country. However what I said was regarding to your train of thought. Obviously no one person is probably to blame. However, a lot of people, doing what you are doing, by rationalizing the taking away of rights by making the connections you did are to blame. I don't think anywhere in there I said "I am right, you are wrong." If I wanted to say "I am right, you are wrong.", then I would have just said it. The thing is with the way I believe, I wouldn't impose restriction on yours or anyone's rights based on how I believe. With the way you believe, it seems like you are fine with restricting mine and others' rights because you think it will prevent something from happening. The examples you stated with the X-ray, pat downs, and searches are exactly how it all starts. The question is where does it end? This is exactly what I commented on how people accept the very slow erroding of their rights. I make the decision to not fly unless it is the only logical solution to get where I need to go. If I make the decision to fly I realize I will have to follow all the restrictions. Do I agree with all of them? Nope. I think there are plenty of other ways to eliminate the need for X-rays, pat downs, and searches but we don't want to offend anyone do we?!? I do not believe I said I want all guns for everyone as you seem to want to suggest. Obviously that is not going to happen with our current system so to think it can all go away is not logical. I do want all guns for everyone that can legally own them under the current system. That would be the first step under this system and would be a great step forward. For children, their parents should be more active in knowing what their kids are doing and the parents should be the judge if the kid should have a gun. My dad bought me a 22 before I was 12. Did I end up shooting someone or committing crimes? No!! I think if more parents were proactive and part of their kid's daily life, a lot of the problems wouldn't exist. Instead of letting Playstation or Xbox or TV babysit your kid, why don't the parents get involved? This country has become the "Wasn't my fault" or "My baby didn't do nothing" country because everything that happens is not anyone's fault. As for the mentally handicapped, I would first ask the question how many do you think would actually go out and buy one in the first place? Is this more of preventing something that might not ever happen? As for felons, do you think the current laws actually stop felons from getting guns? They must be doing great huh!?!? Still reducing the rights of the law-abiding to prevent the criminals?!?! That does not seem to be working very well, even the ATF cannot follow this law. About your communism comment, it is funny you say that because it worked for so long back in the past. Until this country started the welfare culture that exists today, that is exactly what was happening. However, it has slowly been erroded to what we have today. Kind of sad really. [/QUOTE]
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