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<blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 769905" data-attributes="member: 5412"><p>Ok, took it to the range. I brought some Win 3" #4 birdshot shells.</p><p> Some Golden Bear 3" with #4 buck(5 pellets), </p><p> some Federal 3" #4 buck, </p><p>and some 250 Gr JHP .45 Colt ammo.</p><p></p><p>I put a head/torso sillouette target on our target stand that uses 1/2" thick conveyor belting material that is polyester reinforced. Similar to a tire.</p><p>At 5 yds the first shot was at the head with the #4 birdshot. You would have definetly had pellets in your eyes, more than likely resulting in blindness. Threat over.</p><p>Most of the pellets did not pass thru the belting material. A few did. I suspect one went in, and the one behind it pushed it through.</p><p>Next I tried the Win #4 buck. At 5 yds they hit in a 4" group. The Golden Bear #4 buck all pretty much hit in the same 1" group. I think they are encased by a reverse wad, as the wad was sticking in the target backwards.</p><p>When I walked up to the target, I noticed several flattened pellets on the ground in front of the target. Upon closer examination, I think none of the #4 buck pellets penetrated the belting at all, just hitting, and bouncing off.</p><p>A person with thick clothing, or a person with lots of extra girth could probably take the hit, and not result in a fatal wound. </p><p>It would hurt, and probably leave a mark, but I won't use them for defense. I understand one of the US manufacturers are coming out with .410 rounds designed for the Judge. They will have to have more speed, and be a much harder lead or steel shot to prevent the flattening which impeeds penetration.</p><p></p><p>The .45 Long Colt.....what can I say<img src="/images/smilies/faint.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":faint:" title="Faint :faint:" data-shortname=":faint:" /><img src="/images/smilies/faint.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":faint:" title="Faint :faint:" data-shortname=":faint:" /> No more threat.</p><p>Back to 12 yds, I could maintain a 2" and better group with the .45 shooting offhand.</p><p></p><p>I recovered some of the #4 buck pellets, and here is what they look like after bouncing off the belting.</p><p></p><p><strong>[Broken External Image]</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>[Broken External Image]</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dennishoddy, post: 769905, member: 5412"] Ok, took it to the range. I brought some Win 3" #4 birdshot shells. Some Golden Bear 3" with #4 buck(5 pellets), some Federal 3" #4 buck, and some 250 Gr JHP .45 Colt ammo. I put a head/torso sillouette target on our target stand that uses 1/2" thick conveyor belting material that is polyester reinforced. Similar to a tire. At 5 yds the first shot was at the head with the #4 birdshot. You would have definetly had pellets in your eyes, more than likely resulting in blindness. Threat over. Most of the pellets did not pass thru the belting material. A few did. I suspect one went in, and the one behind it pushed it through. Next I tried the Win #4 buck. At 5 yds they hit in a 4" group. The Golden Bear #4 buck all pretty much hit in the same 1" group. I think they are encased by a reverse wad, as the wad was sticking in the target backwards. When I walked up to the target, I noticed several flattened pellets on the ground in front of the target. Upon closer examination, I think none of the #4 buck pellets penetrated the belting at all, just hitting, and bouncing off. A person with thick clothing, or a person with lots of extra girth could probably take the hit, and not result in a fatal wound. It would hurt, and probably leave a mark, but I won't use them for defense. I understand one of the US manufacturers are coming out with .410 rounds designed for the Judge. They will have to have more speed, and be a much harder lead or steel shot to prevent the flattening which impeeds penetration. The .45 Long Colt.....what can I say:faint::faint: No more threat. Back to 12 yds, I could maintain a 2" and better group with the .45 shooting offhand. I recovered some of the #4 buck pellets, and here is what they look like after bouncing off the belting. [b][Broken External Image][/b] [b][Broken External Image][/b] [/QUOTE]
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