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<blockquote data-quote="joegrizzy" data-source="post: 3911212" data-attributes="member: 45524"><p>the obvious power dynamic is any police stop is that an officer has the power to end your life.</p><p></p><p>YES, some people are also armed. YES sometimes the officer is not informed of this.</p><p></p><p>BUT</p><p></p><p>in 100% of EVERY police contact, you KNOW the police officer can and sometimes DOES draw even before making contact. the threat of you being dead is always there. you can say this is true of police, but only in a paranoia schizoid reality. the numbers do not justify this.</p><p></p><p>in 100% of EVERY police contact, you KNOW that the police officer can and sometimes DOES simply want to just cuff you and take you in. you don't have to be charged with a crime. you can just be detained or held indefinitely.</p><p></p><p>sure, i mean i guess a flash mob of evil brown people could show up and attack police at any given moment, but......man again, the numbers simply reflect that's EXTREMELY rare. it's more rare than school shootings at this point. for contrast, if i start naming people *i personally know who have been violated by police, it's gonna exceed the character limit*. i'm not even joking, everyone i know has a story of police overreach. you can say "well i'm a cop and all these people have done these things to me!" but you have to understand *that you are the one initiating and being the aggressor and then having someone *return violence* is not really much of a defense, even if on the side of the state*. objectively. like most people understand our military doctrine on being able to just murder someone is stricter than our local police. </p><p></p><p>again, i've had my rights violated by police. for contrast; i've certainly never violated the rights of any police officer ***because get this i'm not in any position to do so***.</p><p></p><p>this isn't hard. surely you understand a concerned citizen when the issue of police overreach has never been fully address and burning down random parts of cities certainly did nothing about the real issues people like me had with things liiiiiike</p><p></p><p>no knock warrants</p><p>1033 program</p><p>indefinite detention</p><p>lack of video, police ending recordings, taking cameras, etc etc</p><p></p><p>again, if you want to suspect me, why shouldn't i suspect you?</p><p></p><p>any thing you *accuse* me in your mind i can accuse you of, PLUS you have the implicit threat of the power of the state. that's.....a pretty big difference lol. i don't see how you don't get this.</p><p></p><p>next time, i'm calling in backup at a traffic stop. why not? what would you do if i politely told the officer: for my safety, i am not going to respond until my backup arrives. i will be more than happy to assist you with whatever you need at that point in time, but until then please wait in your patrol car until my backup arrives for my personal safety?</p><p></p><p>you think that seems outlandish, yet you have that power. that's the power dynamic. and the thought of it becoming a bit more shifted towards the "potential bad guy" scares you.</p><p></p><p>so you should realize how scared people are by YOU.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="joegrizzy, post: 3911212, member: 45524"] the obvious power dynamic is any police stop is that an officer has the power to end your life. YES, some people are also armed. YES sometimes the officer is not informed of this. BUT in 100% of EVERY police contact, you KNOW the police officer can and sometimes DOES draw even before making contact. the threat of you being dead is always there. you can say this is true of police, but only in a paranoia schizoid reality. the numbers do not justify this. in 100% of EVERY police contact, you KNOW that the police officer can and sometimes DOES simply want to just cuff you and take you in. you don't have to be charged with a crime. you can just be detained or held indefinitely. sure, i mean i guess a flash mob of evil brown people could show up and attack police at any given moment, but......man again, the numbers simply reflect that's EXTREMELY rare. it's more rare than school shootings at this point. for contrast, if i start naming people *i personally know who have been violated by police, it's gonna exceed the character limit*. i'm not even joking, everyone i know has a story of police overreach. you can say "well i'm a cop and all these people have done these things to me!" but you have to understand *that you are the one initiating and being the aggressor and then having someone *return violence* is not really much of a defense, even if on the side of the state*. objectively. like most people understand our military doctrine on being able to just murder someone is stricter than our local police. again, i've had my rights violated by police. for contrast; i've certainly never violated the rights of any police officer ***because get this i'm not in any position to do so***. this isn't hard. surely you understand a concerned citizen when the issue of police overreach has never been fully address and burning down random parts of cities certainly did nothing about the real issues people like me had with things liiiiiike no knock warrants 1033 program indefinite detention lack of video, police ending recordings, taking cameras, etc etc again, if you want to suspect me, why shouldn't i suspect you? any thing you *accuse* me in your mind i can accuse you of, PLUS you have the implicit threat of the power of the state. that's.....a pretty big difference lol. i don't see how you don't get this. next time, i'm calling in backup at a traffic stop. why not? what would you do if i politely told the officer: for my safety, i am not going to respond until my backup arrives. i will be more than happy to assist you with whatever you need at that point in time, but until then please wait in your patrol car until my backup arrives for my personal safety? you think that seems outlandish, yet you have that power. that's the power dynamic. and the thought of it becoming a bit more shifted towards the "potential bad guy" scares you. so you should realize how scared people are by YOU. [/QUOTE]
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