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<blockquote data-quote="joegrizzy" data-source="post: 3911249" data-attributes="member: 45524"><p>and finally, for contrast, we can point to literally dozens if not hundreds of real life cases of swatting, which is the unjustified raid of a livestreaming person's home by a swat team, and to my knowledge absolutely ZERO real world cases of "flash mobs" attacking police *initiated* by a livestreamer *during* a police contact.</p><p></p><p>thus, if anything, i would like to see more laws on the PROTECTION of streamers AGAINST unjustifed police action, rather than some sort of law for officer safety, which again is already shifted INCREDIBLY in one direction.</p><p></p><p>from what i can see, 129 officers were killed in the line of duty in 2021. 73 of these were felonious, 56 were accidents, mostly traffic. so that's really 73 officers killed for the year of 2021.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/press-releases/fbi-releases-2021-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty[/URL]</p><p></p><p>police killed *at least* 1,140 people in 2021.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://policeviolencereport.org[/URL]</p><p></p><p>objectively, to say that police are allowed to use extra judicial force on the citizenry *because* of the fear of the citizenry is simply not in the numbers. police kill 15x more people than are killed by police, this is raw numbers. that's a 1,461% increase. you could objectively say a person's fear that a police officer might kill them, justifiably or not, is literally a thousand percentage higher, based in fact. but those are raw numbers! we can do per capita!</p><p></p><p>per the same FBI UCR stats, there are 860,000 LEO's in the US. there are 331,900,000 people in the United States. Let's remove the LEO's from the citizenry: that gives us a nice figure we will round down to an even 331,000,000.</p><p></p><p>you have:</p><p>860,000 LEO's killing 1,140 citizens</p><p>331,000,000 killing 73 LEO's</p><p></p><p>assuming that one LEO is killing one citizen, or one citizen is killing one LEO (which isn't true but for the sake of easy math i digress) you could say:</p><p></p><p>that's one LEO killing a citizen for every 750 LEO's.</p><p>that's one citizen killing a LEO for every 4,534,246 citizens.</p><p></p><p>there are any number of stats you can call up from this data set that makes the myth of police violence merely a paranoid reality, while the threat of extra judicial police violence being very real. even the clip we saw earlier, with the guy in the mattress from here in OKC, yes that man was WAITING for police (again, if the police weren't being the aggressor, this situation wouldn't occur. i understand that is their job, but for the sake of objectively i am merely addressing this) to pull up the mattress and he was shooting with the intent to kill but get this because the police were allowed to already have their guns drawn and backup they were actually able to just kill the guy while one of them took an injury.</p><p></p><p>yes, you can subjectively say that the cops were justifiable but we're talking merely about objective violence here because we are addressing a situation wherein police are making an initial contact without any knowledge and someone is livestreaming. and thus, if the police are saying "well because of this theoretical situation we demand this legal protection" then i'm saying man i'd like a few more of them legal protections too because it seems like the numbers would suggest ya'll violate us more than the other way around.</p><p></p><p>i know you think this isn't true, but most people will never interact with gang violence but at some point they will undoubtedly be in a position to be harassed by the gang violence threat of the police. like most people won't have anyone draw a gun on them except police. won't have anyone threaten to cuff them and do things to them except police. etc etc. this is a REAL threat that the numbers suggest is 15x more likely for the citizenry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="joegrizzy, post: 3911249, member: 45524"] and finally, for contrast, we can point to literally dozens if not hundreds of real life cases of swatting, which is the unjustified raid of a livestreaming person's home by a swat team, and to my knowledge absolutely ZERO real world cases of "flash mobs" attacking police *initiated* by a livestreamer *during* a police contact. thus, if anything, i would like to see more laws on the PROTECTION of streamers AGAINST unjustifed police action, rather than some sort of law for officer safety, which again is already shifted INCREDIBLY in one direction. from what i can see, 129 officers were killed in the line of duty in 2021. 73 of these were felonious, 56 were accidents, mostly traffic. so that's really 73 officers killed for the year of 2021. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/press-releases/fbi-releases-2021-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty[/URL] police killed *at least* 1,140 people in 2021. [URL unfurl="true"]https://policeviolencereport.org[/URL] objectively, to say that police are allowed to use extra judicial force on the citizenry *because* of the fear of the citizenry is simply not in the numbers. police kill 15x more people than are killed by police, this is raw numbers. that's a 1,461% increase. you could objectively say a person's fear that a police officer might kill them, justifiably or not, is literally a thousand percentage higher, based in fact. but those are raw numbers! we can do per capita! per the same FBI UCR stats, there are 860,000 LEO's in the US. there are 331,900,000 people in the United States. Let's remove the LEO's from the citizenry: that gives us a nice figure we will round down to an even 331,000,000. you have: 860,000 LEO's killing 1,140 citizens 331,000,000 killing 73 LEO's assuming that one LEO is killing one citizen, or one citizen is killing one LEO (which isn't true but for the sake of easy math i digress) you could say: that's one LEO killing a citizen for every 750 LEO's. that's one citizen killing a LEO for every 4,534,246 citizens. there are any number of stats you can call up from this data set that makes the myth of police violence merely a paranoid reality, while the threat of extra judicial police violence being very real. even the clip we saw earlier, with the guy in the mattress from here in OKC, yes that man was WAITING for police (again, if the police weren't being the aggressor, this situation wouldn't occur. i understand that is their job, but for the sake of objectively i am merely addressing this) to pull up the mattress and he was shooting with the intent to kill but get this because the police were allowed to already have their guns drawn and backup they were actually able to just kill the guy while one of them took an injury. yes, you can subjectively say that the cops were justifiable but we're talking merely about objective violence here because we are addressing a situation wherein police are making an initial contact without any knowledge and someone is livestreaming. and thus, if the police are saying "well because of this theoretical situation we demand this legal protection" then i'm saying man i'd like a few more of them legal protections too because it seems like the numbers would suggest ya'll violate us more than the other way around. i know you think this isn't true, but most people will never interact with gang violence but at some point they will undoubtedly be in a position to be harassed by the gang violence threat of the police. like most people won't have anyone draw a gun on them except police. won't have anyone threaten to cuff them and do things to them except police. etc etc. this is a REAL threat that the numbers suggest is 15x more likely for the citizenry. [/QUOTE]
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