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<blockquote data-quote="RidgeHunter" data-source="post: 1828554" data-attributes="member: 4319"><p>What we call a modern conservative is as often intellectually dishonest as he is hypocritical.</p><p></p><p>A modern conservative lives in a strange and cruel world. When <a href="http://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?132623-Dems-want-to-ban-your-cigars!!!&" target="_blank">THE DEMS WANT TO BAN YOUR CIGARS</a>, it's clearly the result of a nanny state, daddy-knows-best, progressive government gone off the rails. But when the republicans want to ban something similar - for allegedly similar reasons - it's clearly because CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN VALUES AND MORALS are indisputably what's best for the country and we need a good, strong, right-thinking government to uphold and enforce those values.</p><p></p><p>The "small government, personal responsibility, and freedom/regulate & enforce & expand" dichotomy is either intellectual dishonesty in an attempt to confuse others, or it's an attempt to mollify the cognitive dissonance created in one's own mind from basing his life around a belief system whose two main cores are diametrically incongruous. </p><p></p><p>A modern conservative doesn't want small government, personal responsibility, freedom or any of the buzzwords they love to project at the sight of any opposition like so much spittle from an angry llama. Modern conservatism is based on one thing and that's fear. They fear change. Change = progress = progressives and progressives are bad (even if we don't know why). They support a strong, far-reaching, and powerful government in order to prop up and enforce each and every facet of what they see as the only correct, good, and viable lifestyle that can exist in a successful nation. </p><p></p><p>This is mainly how modern conservatives differ from modern liberals. A politically aware liberal is generally honest about what he wants out of government. He'll tell you he wants expanded social programs, well-funded public education, healthcare, various types of civil rights legislation, tight regulation on business and tax increases to fund it all. You can go up to a modern liberal and say "so, you like a strong, far-reaching government?" and he'll say "Yeah, of course. Here's why." Say the same to a conservative, he'll get offended at the implication - right before he gets on a soap box about gays settling down or drug control saving society or women being allowed to make their own healthcare choices and how government should fix it. </p><p></p><p>As far as the anecdotal drug stories, my how fun and unproductive it would be for me to be a one-upper here. I'll summarize and repeat the main thing I've learned from it all - and that is the vast majority of desperate addicts with destroyed lives I've known went into drugs already mentally ill and suicidal. The drugs didn't do anything but kill them slower than a self-inflicted gunshot would have if they'd gone that route. Serious addiction is generally a just an easily visible symptom of what lies below, and like most conservative "solutions" to social problems, the drug war doesn't address the root cause at all. </p><p></p><p><img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RidgeHunter, post: 1828554, member: 4319"] What we call a modern conservative is as often intellectually dishonest as he is hypocritical. A modern conservative lives in a strange and cruel world. When [URL="http://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?132623-Dems-want-to-ban-your-cigars!!!&"]THE DEMS WANT TO BAN YOUR CIGARS[/URL], it's clearly the result of a nanny state, daddy-knows-best, progressive government gone off the rails. But when the republicans want to ban something similar - for allegedly similar reasons - it's clearly because CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN VALUES AND MORALS are indisputably what's best for the country and we need a good, strong, right-thinking government to uphold and enforce those values. The "small government, personal responsibility, and freedom/regulate & enforce & expand" dichotomy is either intellectual dishonesty in an attempt to confuse others, or it's an attempt to mollify the cognitive dissonance created in one's own mind from basing his life around a belief system whose two main cores are diametrically incongruous. A modern conservative doesn't want small government, personal responsibility, freedom or any of the buzzwords they love to project at the sight of any opposition like so much spittle from an angry llama. Modern conservatism is based on one thing and that's fear. They fear change. Change = progress = progressives and progressives are bad (even if we don't know why). They support a strong, far-reaching, and powerful government in order to prop up and enforce each and every facet of what they see as the only correct, good, and viable lifestyle that can exist in a successful nation. This is mainly how modern conservatives differ from modern liberals. A politically aware liberal is generally honest about what he wants out of government. He'll tell you he wants expanded social programs, well-funded public education, healthcare, various types of civil rights legislation, tight regulation on business and tax increases to fund it all. You can go up to a modern liberal and say "so, you like a strong, far-reaching government?" and he'll say "Yeah, of course. Here's why." Say the same to a conservative, he'll get offended at the implication - right before he gets on a soap box about gays settling down or drug control saving society or women being allowed to make their own healthcare choices and how government should fix it. As far as the anecdotal drug stories, my how fun and unproductive it would be for me to be a one-upper here. I'll summarize and repeat the main thing I've learned from it all - and that is the vast majority of desperate addicts with destroyed lives I've known went into drugs already mentally ill and suicidal. The drugs didn't do anything but kill them slower than a self-inflicted gunshot would have if they'd gone that route. Serious addiction is generally a just an easily visible symptom of what lies below, and like most conservative "solutions" to social problems, the drug war doesn't address the root cause at all. :D [/QUOTE]
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