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<blockquote data-quote="okeydoke" data-source="post: 2908316" data-attributes="member: 41320"><p>that's right. If you train properly, you can get within 10%. So why can't you get a trigger job for your AR? pay for it by dumping your "combat shotgun". Since the shotgun is so inferior anyway, it's no loss. There's a .22lr conversion unit that lets you practice for 10% of the cost of 12 ga slugs or buckshot, and you can get an effective sound suppressor for the AR, but not for the 12 ga. Furthermore, the AR can be used with just one hand, pretty danged effectivle, the 12 ga cannot. The shorty AR can be concealed (taken down) rather easily. There's a folding stock that lets it conceal under your arm, on a sling, under your coat. If you "chop" a 12 ga that short, it it pretty useless beyond 20 ft. :-) Fire a 12ga in a room at night, without ear protection and the flash and blast will nearly make you drop the gun. Yes, there's a clunk that claims to suppress a 12 ga. It costs $2000 and makes it sound like an unsuppressed .45. :-) big whoop. A decent suppressor makes the shorty AR sound like a normal .22lr rifle. With subsonic 22's, holding the bolt shut with your thumb, the 223 "can" makes the .22 sound like a BB gun. The suppressed rifle is vastly superior to the shotgun, both for foraging and fighting</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="okeydoke, post: 2908316, member: 41320"] that's right. If you train properly, you can get within 10%. So why can't you get a trigger job for your AR? pay for it by dumping your "combat shotgun". Since the shotgun is so inferior anyway, it's no loss. There's a .22lr conversion unit that lets you practice for 10% of the cost of 12 ga slugs or buckshot, and you can get an effective sound suppressor for the AR, but not for the 12 ga. Furthermore, the AR can be used with just one hand, pretty danged effectivle, the 12 ga cannot. The shorty AR can be concealed (taken down) rather easily. There's a folding stock that lets it conceal under your arm, on a sling, under your coat. If you "chop" a 12 ga that short, it it pretty useless beyond 20 ft. :-) Fire a 12ga in a room at night, without ear protection and the flash and blast will nearly make you drop the gun. Yes, there's a clunk that claims to suppress a 12 ga. It costs $2000 and makes it sound like an unsuppressed .45. :-) big whoop. A decent suppressor makes the shorty AR sound like a normal .22lr rifle. With subsonic 22's, holding the bolt shut with your thumb, the 223 "can" makes the .22 sound like a BB gun. The suppressed rifle is vastly superior to the shotgun, both for foraging and fighting [/QUOTE]
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