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I had a run in with a CCW'er last night...
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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 1591607" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>This is the most critical information in your post. The #1 rule in LE is to go home alive at the end of your shift. There is no requirement (nor should there be) for an officer to wait until a gun is in hand. The use of force continuum that all officers train on instructs them to use that level of force which is necessary to regain or maintain the safety of the officer and others. That level is always at least one level above that of the subject. It starts with verbal commands and goes all the way to deadly force. </p><p></p><p>You only need to ride in a patrol car on an active shift to realize that people do stupid things when cops are around. It's almost like a switch in the brain that turns off higher level reasoning. Not everyone does it, but there are enough that it's a known phenomenon. You will often arrive at a scene faster without using lights & siren. You will "cause" motorists to make mistakes because your presence makes them nervous. People will have diahrrea of the mouth as soon as you arrive. They will make sudden movements and grab things not in plain view to show you, because that will explain everything. They fail to realize how dangerous some subjects are, which makes LE VERY nervous when sudden movements coincide with a weapon or hidden space. </p><p></p><p>I wasn't there, but the contact officer frequently doesn't have time to communicate to the cover officer when a citizen suddenly grabs at something. Even given the SDA permit, you have no idea whether that permit holder just murdered her husband or not. That's why the notification is required and the officer usually asks where the firearm is, and to not put your hands near it. Going for the glove box with a gun inside is a HUGE no-no. The armed citizen needs to be cognizant of their actions and not be in "condition white" when dealing with an officer. </p><p></p><p>I find no fault with either officers handling of the situation, from either a LE or CCW perspective. Regardless of how the citizen viewed the contact, I'm sure they will never make that particular mistake again. The lesson was learned. <img src="/images/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 1591607, member: 1132"] This is the most critical information in your post. The #1 rule in LE is to go home alive at the end of your shift. There is no requirement (nor should there be) for an officer to wait until a gun is in hand. The use of force continuum that all officers train on instructs them to use that level of force which is necessary to regain or maintain the safety of the officer and others. That level is always at least one level above that of the subject. It starts with verbal commands and goes all the way to deadly force. You only need to ride in a patrol car on an active shift to realize that people do stupid things when cops are around. It's almost like a switch in the brain that turns off higher level reasoning. Not everyone does it, but there are enough that it's a known phenomenon. You will often arrive at a scene faster without using lights & siren. You will "cause" motorists to make mistakes because your presence makes them nervous. People will have diahrrea of the mouth as soon as you arrive. They will make sudden movements and grab things not in plain view to show you, because that will explain everything. They fail to realize how dangerous some subjects are, which makes LE VERY nervous when sudden movements coincide with a weapon or hidden space. I wasn't there, but the contact officer frequently doesn't have time to communicate to the cover officer when a citizen suddenly grabs at something. Even given the SDA permit, you have no idea whether that permit holder just murdered her husband or not. That's why the notification is required and the officer usually asks where the firearm is, and to not put your hands near it. Going for the glove box with a gun inside is a HUGE no-no. The armed citizen needs to be cognizant of their actions and not be in "condition white" when dealing with an officer. I find no fault with either officers handling of the situation, from either a LE or CCW perspective. Regardless of how the citizen viewed the contact, I'm sure they will never make that particular mistake again. The lesson was learned. :) [/QUOTE]
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