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I had a run in with a CCW'er last night...
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<blockquote data-quote="purplehaze" data-source="post: 1593418" data-attributes="member: 6061"><p>Sounds to me like a bit of an over reaction by the op to me. It seems in this instance the CCW holder had informed the stopping officer of her status as a CCW holder and was showing the officer the weapon... likely as instructed by the stopping officer and retrieving her insurance also, likely instructed by the lead officer, later (not sure of the time frame) the backing officer sees the CCW reaching for her insurance, which happens to be near her weapon, and pulls his weapon and admits he was close to shooting her? Over speeding? Sounds at the least like a massive miscommunication and I think the CCW holder was not as far in the wrong as in the op's opinion. </p><p> Michael you bring up the Diallo case, which does indeed back up the reaching for the waistband as reasonable justification for a shooting, I do however, have a quote from a police official interviewed after the shooting: 1999: "It looks like one guy may have panicked and the rest followed suit," a police official told The New York Times after the fatal shooting of 22-year-old Amadou Ahmed Diallo, a Guinnea-Bissau immigrant who was killed when four white New York police officers in plain clothes fired 41 shots at him, 19 of which hit his body. The officers said they thought Diallo was reaching for a gun when they shot him in the doorway of his apartment. Turns out it was his wallet." Are we sure that is a good standard to follow? </p><p> Anyway, I know the police have a tough job and are under appreciated, however, there does seem to be an us verses them mentality in certain officers (not saying this was the case here) and in some instances even viewing the people they protect and serve as enemy combatants. It seems a more balanced approach could be reached.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="purplehaze, post: 1593418, member: 6061"] Sounds to me like a bit of an over reaction by the op to me. It seems in this instance the CCW holder had informed the stopping officer of her status as a CCW holder and was showing the officer the weapon... likely as instructed by the stopping officer and retrieving her insurance also, likely instructed by the lead officer, later (not sure of the time frame) the backing officer sees the CCW reaching for her insurance, which happens to be near her weapon, and pulls his weapon and admits he was close to shooting her? Over speeding? Sounds at the least like a massive miscommunication and I think the CCW holder was not as far in the wrong as in the op's opinion. Michael you bring up the Diallo case, which does indeed back up the reaching for the waistband as reasonable justification for a shooting, I do however, have a quote from a police official interviewed after the shooting: 1999: "It looks like one guy may have panicked and the rest followed suit," a police official told The New York Times after the fatal shooting of 22-year-old Amadou Ahmed Diallo, a Guinnea-Bissau immigrant who was killed when four white New York police officers in plain clothes fired 41 shots at him, 19 of which hit his body. The officers said they thought Diallo was reaching for a gun when they shot him in the doorway of his apartment. Turns out it was his wallet." Are we sure that is a good standard to follow? Anyway, I know the police have a tough job and are under appreciated, however, there does seem to be an us verses them mentality in certain officers (not saying this was the case here) and in some instances even viewing the people they protect and serve as enemy combatants. It seems a more balanced approach could be reached. [/QUOTE]
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