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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 1376910" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>Be careful of the advice you get from folks who have "had no issues" with their guns. Rarely do I find that they have put 1000rds through it if its made by a manufacturer that's known for having issues and yet they've "never had any issues".</p><p></p><p>Not trying to start a "just as good" argument or talk anyone's gun down, but there are guns out there that are known for being put through law enforcement / competition / training / or personal tests with no issues (i.e. shot thousands of rounds in a row, shot for several hundred rounds with no cleaning, purposely limp-wristed or shot upside down, etc.).</p><p></p><p>I personally wouldn't own a Kahr CW9 due to some of the early issues they had with reliability and fit/finish, but I hear that Kahr has addressed a lot of that over the years. A Kahr K-9 would be my choice over the CW9 and used, you can still find them for around $500 or less.</p><p></p><p>As to the 9mm debate - if you think all 9mm guns jam because you shot a Taurus that jammed, then why don't you think all Taurus guns jam (or all semi-auto guns, or all plastic guns, etc.)?</p><p></p><p>9mm has a number of significant advantages over a lot of other calibers. Aside from my J-frame in .38Spl, I don't own a pistol in a caliber other than 9mm.</p><p></p><p>You can shoot a crapload of 9mm for very little money. Shooting your Self-Defense guns (or CCW guns) a lot and often is very important (as is proper training). 9mm has less recoil than many larger calibers so follow-up shots are often easier for folks (like daintier women) who have a hard time controlling recoil in harder-kicking guns. </p><p></p><p>Being a smaller caliber in size, most guns offered in 9mm and other calibers have more capacity in 9mm - this means more rounds available and for those who talk smack about 9mm's effectiveness, well bullet-technology (i.e. Speer Gold-Dots, Federal Hydra-Shoks, Remington Golden Sabres, etc...) has come a long way and 9mm is pretty damn effective at putting large holes in bad-guys.</p><p></p><p>And if its not, you've got extra rounds in your mag over larger calibers (and less recoil), so just shoot the bad guy more. When the Judge asks you why you shot the bad guy 5 times, you just answer "Because 4 wouldn't have been enough and 6 would have been too many".</p><p></p><p>Check out these guns if you plan on CCW'ing them:</p><p></p><p>Sig P229 / P228</p><p>S&W M&P Compact</p><p>XD Subcompact</p><p>Glock 19</p><p>CZ P-01 or 75 Compact</p><p></p><p>All are proven and have withstood the test of hard use in the field.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 1376910, member: 229"] Be careful of the advice you get from folks who have "had no issues" with their guns. Rarely do I find that they have put 1000rds through it if its made by a manufacturer that's known for having issues and yet they've "never had any issues". Not trying to start a "just as good" argument or talk anyone's gun down, but there are guns out there that are known for being put through law enforcement / competition / training / or personal tests with no issues (i.e. shot thousands of rounds in a row, shot for several hundred rounds with no cleaning, purposely limp-wristed or shot upside down, etc.). I personally wouldn't own a Kahr CW9 due to some of the early issues they had with reliability and fit/finish, but I hear that Kahr has addressed a lot of that over the years. A Kahr K-9 would be my choice over the CW9 and used, you can still find them for around $500 or less. As to the 9mm debate - if you think all 9mm guns jam because you shot a Taurus that jammed, then why don't you think all Taurus guns jam (or all semi-auto guns, or all plastic guns, etc.)? 9mm has a number of significant advantages over a lot of other calibers. Aside from my J-frame in .38Spl, I don't own a pistol in a caliber other than 9mm. You can shoot a crapload of 9mm for very little money. Shooting your Self-Defense guns (or CCW guns) a lot and often is very important (as is proper training). 9mm has less recoil than many larger calibers so follow-up shots are often easier for folks (like daintier women) who have a hard time controlling recoil in harder-kicking guns. Being a smaller caliber in size, most guns offered in 9mm and other calibers have more capacity in 9mm - this means more rounds available and for those who talk smack about 9mm's effectiveness, well bullet-technology (i.e. Speer Gold-Dots, Federal Hydra-Shoks, Remington Golden Sabres, etc...) has come a long way and 9mm is pretty damn effective at putting large holes in bad-guys. And if its not, you've got extra rounds in your mag over larger calibers (and less recoil), so just shoot the bad guy more. When the Judge asks you why you shot the bad guy 5 times, you just answer "Because 4 wouldn't have been enough and 6 would have been too many". Check out these guns if you plan on CCW'ing them: Sig P229 / P228 S&W M&P Compact XD Subcompact Glock 19 CZ P-01 or 75 Compact All are proven and have withstood the test of hard use in the field. [/QUOTE]
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