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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 1421284" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>The same argument could be made for the many Christian/Roman-Catholic/Jewish wars that have been fought throughout the years (i.e. those folks were following exactly what their book says).</p><p></p><p>Anything can be taken out of context and I doubt everyone giving Col. Allen the big head-nod has actually read the Quraan.</p><p></p><p>I've got two copies of it here and I argue/debate with a couple of Muslims on a regular basis. The same points that Col West uses to say that Islamist extremist terrorists are doing exactly what the Quraan says can be used against Christianity (and exactly this false-hood is printed on numerous pro-Islam web sites).</p><p></p><p>The Quraan is like the bible in the respect that its subject to interpretation against itself - meaning that if you can find one thing (out of context) that says something specific and another point that contradicts that first point, there must be some defining context for one of the two points.</p><p></p><p>The bible has several examples that seem contradictory to the untrained eye, but upon further reading, there are actually different circumstances that explain the reason for the change in direction.</p><p></p><p>There are several things that God specifically commanded at one point in the bible that now-days Christians can't say "God commanded it, so we should all still be doing" because it was later superseded by another command (if you're a Christian, Peter's dream about unclean/clean food illustrates this in Acts 10:9-16 - this is why Christians can now enjoy catfish <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" data-shortname=":D" />).</p><p></p><p>Do I agree with most of what's in the Quraan? No. Do I judge it based on what I heard on the internet or what someone else told me? No.</p><p></p><p>Col. Allen has a lot of his history correct, but the reasoning behind it is not Islam - that's like saying that Christianity is the reason behind all of the wars (and there are a lot more) that were started in the name of Christianity or specifically Catholicism during Rome's empire.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 1421284, member: 229"] The same argument could be made for the many Christian/Roman-Catholic/Jewish wars that have been fought throughout the years (i.e. those folks were following exactly what their book says). Anything can be taken out of context and I doubt everyone giving Col. Allen the big head-nod has actually read the Quraan. I've got two copies of it here and I argue/debate with a couple of Muslims on a regular basis. The same points that Col West uses to say that Islamist extremist terrorists are doing exactly what the Quraan says can be used against Christianity (and exactly this false-hood is printed on numerous pro-Islam web sites). The Quraan is like the bible in the respect that its subject to interpretation against itself - meaning that if you can find one thing (out of context) that says something specific and another point that contradicts that first point, there must be some defining context for one of the two points. The bible has several examples that seem contradictory to the untrained eye, but upon further reading, there are actually different circumstances that explain the reason for the change in direction. There are several things that God specifically commanded at one point in the bible that now-days Christians can't say "God commanded it, so we should all still be doing" because it was later superseded by another command (if you're a Christian, Peter's dream about unclean/clean food illustrates this in Acts 10:9-16 - this is why Christians can now enjoy catfish :D). Do I agree with most of what's in the Quraan? No. Do I judge it based on what I heard on the internet or what someone else told me? No. Col. Allen has a lot of his history correct, but the reasoning behind it is not Islam - that's like saying that Christianity is the reason behind all of the wars (and there are a lot more) that were started in the name of Christianity or specifically Catholicism during Rome's empire. [/QUOTE]
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