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<blockquote data-quote="excat" data-source="post: 2518632" data-attributes="member: 29449"><p>Exactly, it's a hell of a chance, but, if you actually get several above average players for him, you are doing yourself a favor cutting ties with him. You already have a PG in Reggie that is good enough to start, does he still have maturing to do, of course, but so does RW, and in 5 years of starting, he hasn't done that yet. There are several very good PG options in the draft for a back up, that are play ready. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Harden trade is one of the BEST things we've done. Anyone that thinks we should have kept Harden, never actually watched him play. Harden is FAR from a top talent. Harden is a part time scorer and full time flopper. ZERO defense. He's an average player. There is a reason the Rockets didn't make it out of the first round, and Harden is that reason. Even on nights when he isn't scoring, he still doesn't play defense, he doesn't get assist's, he's a waste of space if he isn't putting up any points. We couldn't afford both Harden and Ibaka, and we chose to keep Ibaka, which was the best decision for us. I would rather have team of 8 players that average 10-15 pts per game consistently, that play solid defense, than a Harden or Westbrook that go for 20+ inconsistently. The Spurs and Pacers are exactly why, they have built real ball "teams". This is very easy to predict, Harden doesn't win a championship in the next 5 years. </p><p></p><p>They will pony up the cash for KD, not for RW. The thing with RW is outside of his athleticism, he is just an above average player. The only reason he is indeed a superstar, is exactly what makes him a liability. So, KD has already proven that he can get it done with Reggie at the helm, and that we don't need RW on the floor to win games. KD, Reggie, and Ibaka put up more consistent numbers this season with out RW. Why is that? We ran more offense, but still not enough! You don't think the owners see that, especially out of a player that is going to cost them 8 mil a year less, that doesn't have a ticking time bomb bum knee? Exactly what beast said about D. Rose, liability is HUGE with RW. It would be one thing if he was paying it off with Championships every year, but he's not. We can't make it that far because of the one dimensional play, because we have him on the team. We beat better teams with the RJ, KD, Serge line up, than we have with RW on the floor this year. We beat the Heat with the line up, lost to them when RW came back in the line up. Beat Memphis every game with that line up, and saw what happened against Memphis when RW came back......</p><p></p><p>I'm a bigger proponent of getting rid of Brooks than getting rid of RW. I honestly think if we got rid of the entire coaching staff, and start over, we stand a better chance. We need someone that can come in and actually get RW to play to the best of his ability, to slow him down, BUT it is going to take a coach that already has their respect, and isn't going to put up with bull ****. Do we get a lot of questionable calls? Hell yes we do. Are we a bunch of over paid cry babies bitches? Hell yes we are. It's time for the Thunder ORGANIZATION to NUT THE F%CK UP, in every aspect. We would still need to get rid of T. Sef, and part of the bench though. </p><p></p><p>There is only 2 ways to go with a RW and Brooks combo, you either are always going to have the potential to be great but never get it done, or you are going to have to always wonder what could have been when you end up trading him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="excat, post: 2518632, member: 29449"] Exactly, it's a hell of a chance, but, if you actually get several above average players for him, you are doing yourself a favor cutting ties with him. You already have a PG in Reggie that is good enough to start, does he still have maturing to do, of course, but so does RW, and in 5 years of starting, he hasn't done that yet. There are several very good PG options in the draft for a back up, that are play ready. The Harden trade is one of the BEST things we've done. Anyone that thinks we should have kept Harden, never actually watched him play. Harden is FAR from a top talent. Harden is a part time scorer and full time flopper. ZERO defense. He's an average player. There is a reason the Rockets didn't make it out of the first round, and Harden is that reason. Even on nights when he isn't scoring, he still doesn't play defense, he doesn't get assist's, he's a waste of space if he isn't putting up any points. We couldn't afford both Harden and Ibaka, and we chose to keep Ibaka, which was the best decision for us. I would rather have team of 8 players that average 10-15 pts per game consistently, that play solid defense, than a Harden or Westbrook that go for 20+ inconsistently. The Spurs and Pacers are exactly why, they have built real ball "teams". This is very easy to predict, Harden doesn't win a championship in the next 5 years. They will pony up the cash for KD, not for RW. The thing with RW is outside of his athleticism, he is just an above average player. The only reason he is indeed a superstar, is exactly what makes him a liability. So, KD has already proven that he can get it done with Reggie at the helm, and that we don't need RW on the floor to win games. KD, Reggie, and Ibaka put up more consistent numbers this season with out RW. Why is that? We ran more offense, but still not enough! You don't think the owners see that, especially out of a player that is going to cost them 8 mil a year less, that doesn't have a ticking time bomb bum knee? Exactly what beast said about D. Rose, liability is HUGE with RW. It would be one thing if he was paying it off with Championships every year, but he's not. We can't make it that far because of the one dimensional play, because we have him on the team. We beat better teams with the RJ, KD, Serge line up, than we have with RW on the floor this year. We beat the Heat with the line up, lost to them when RW came back in the line up. Beat Memphis every game with that line up, and saw what happened against Memphis when RW came back...... I'm a bigger proponent of getting rid of Brooks than getting rid of RW. I honestly think if we got rid of the entire coaching staff, and start over, we stand a better chance. We need someone that can come in and actually get RW to play to the best of his ability, to slow him down, BUT it is going to take a coach that already has their respect, and isn't going to put up with bull ****. Do we get a lot of questionable calls? Hell yes we do. Are we a bunch of over paid cry babies bitches? Hell yes we are. It's time for the Thunder ORGANIZATION to NUT THE F%CK UP, in every aspect. We would still need to get rid of T. Sef, and part of the bench though. There is only 2 ways to go with a RW and Brooks combo, you either are always going to have the potential to be great but never get it done, or you are going to have to always wonder what could have been when you end up trading him. [/QUOTE]
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