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<blockquote data-quote="nofearfactor" data-source="post: 2052587" data-attributes="member: 1535"><p>I did, I just was off a bit. The reason this was so fresh in my mind was because me and my kid had been studying the battle recently and we had just finished researching stuff on it. One of the articles we had read said that the reason they were using the Springfield 1873s at the battle was because they had used them in the Plains wars with no problems. I should have wrote the Indian or Plains Wars instead of the Civil war, sorry, my mistake, but it was 1876 and that wasnt that long after the Civil War so I just figured they used them in the Civil War. But actually it was the Springfield Model 1861 that was used in the Civil War and it is listed as the most widely-used shoulder arm during the Civil War, besides other more modern for the time firearms and weapons, including repeaters. The Civil War is supposedly considered the first 'modern' war because of the weapons used, thats why we were a little perplexed about why Custer would go into this battle with these rifles.</p><p></p><p>"In defense of Custer, historians claim that some of the Indians were armed with repeating Spencer, Winchester and Henry rifles, while the 7th Cavalry carried single-shot Springfield Model 1873 carbines, caliber .45&#8211;70.[45] These rifles had a slower rate of fire than the repeating rifles and tended to jam when overheated".</p><p></p><p>"The Springfield Model 1873 was selected by the Army Ordnance Board after extensive testing in competition with other rifles. It was considered to be the most reliable rifle after multiple weathering tests. The choice of a single-shot rifle over repeating rifles was the Army's choice to prevent overuse of ammunition, following its emphasis at that time on marksmanship, as well as the costs of transporting cartridges along a 1,000-mile (1,600 km) supply line. Repeating rifles of the era used much lighter ammunition than the Springfields. It was not until 1876 that a heavy cartridge repeater was introduced to the market, the Winchester M1876 .45-60 rifle. However, the .45-70 cartridge was not only effective against personnel but was also large enough to bring down most horses. The carbine version used by the cavalry did not have a cleaning rod which would have been used to clear jammed cartridges. The carbine cartridges were loaded with a smaller charge of 55 grains of powder to avoid heavy recoil. While Lakota accounts noted men throwing down their rifles, in panic or possibly anger, accounts of jammed Springfield carbines were not reported in other confrontations during the Plains Wars. The jamming could have been due to the men's lack of familiarity with the Springfields, as they had been issued only weeks before the Battle".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nofearfactor, post: 2052587, member: 1535"] I did, I just was off a bit. The reason this was so fresh in my mind was because me and my kid had been studying the battle recently and we had just finished researching stuff on it. One of the articles we had read said that the reason they were using the Springfield 1873s at the battle was because they had used them in the Plains wars with no problems. I should have wrote the Indian or Plains Wars instead of the Civil war, sorry, my mistake, but it was 1876 and that wasnt that long after the Civil War so I just figured they used them in the Civil War. But actually it was the Springfield Model 1861 that was used in the Civil War and it is listed as the most widely-used shoulder arm during the Civil War, besides other more modern for the time firearms and weapons, including repeaters. The Civil War is supposedly considered the first 'modern' war because of the weapons used, thats why we were a little perplexed about why Custer would go into this battle with these rifles. "In defense of Custer, historians claim that some of the Indians were armed with repeating Spencer, Winchester and Henry rifles, while the 7th Cavalry carried single-shot Springfield Model 1873 carbines, caliber .45–70.[45] These rifles had a slower rate of fire than the repeating rifles and tended to jam when overheated". "The Springfield Model 1873 was selected by the Army Ordnance Board after extensive testing in competition with other rifles. It was considered to be the most reliable rifle after multiple weathering tests. The choice of a single-shot rifle over repeating rifles was the Army's choice to prevent overuse of ammunition, following its emphasis at that time on marksmanship, as well as the costs of transporting cartridges along a 1,000-mile (1,600 km) supply line. Repeating rifles of the era used much lighter ammunition than the Springfields. It was not until 1876 that a heavy cartridge repeater was introduced to the market, the Winchester M1876 .45-60 rifle. However, the .45-70 cartridge was not only effective against personnel but was also large enough to bring down most horses. The carbine version used by the cavalry did not have a cleaning rod which would have been used to clear jammed cartridges. The carbine cartridges were loaded with a smaller charge of 55 grains of powder to avoid heavy recoil. While Lakota accounts noted men throwing down their rifles, in panic or possibly anger, accounts of jammed Springfield carbines were not reported in other confrontations during the Plains Wars. The jamming could have been due to the men's lack of familiarity with the Springfields, as they had been issued only weeks before the Battle". [/QUOTE]
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