In France hundreds of sheep are killed after bear chases them over cliff

[Rooster1971]

The reintroduction of wolves by tree hugging liberals over states objections is one of their baby steps to reducing guns.
No game, no need to own a shotgun or high powered rifle.

Wolves have been a part of North America ecosystem long, long, before white man knew about this continent.i doubt the Indians did much to cull them. They are highly regarded in their culture.

If wolves were as detrimental to the wildlife as you say deer wouldn't even exist. Hell, I just google and Canada has 60,000 wolves and Alaska alone has 12,000. Is there any Caribou left?

You're kinda sounding like a climate alarmist, Dennis. No offense...

 

[deerwhacker444]

To be fair, a squirrel could probably run 100 sheep off a cliff...

 

[MacFromOK]

To be fair, a squirrel could probably run 100 sheep off a cliff...

Ah dude, I couldn't do anything but laugh for probably a full two minutes over this.

 

[dennishoddy]

Wolves have been a part of North America ecosystem long, long, before white man knew about this continent.i doubt the Indians did much to cull them. They are highly regarded in their culture.

If wolves were as detrimental to the wildlife as you say deer wouldn't even exist. Hell, I just google and Canada has 60,000 wolves and Alaska alone has 12,000. Is there any Caribou left?

You're kinda sounding like a climate alarmist, Dennis. No offense...

We aren't talking about Alaska or Canada are we?
The following is from a Government source:

How wolves in Yellowstone have impacted their environment is an evolving story, but federal biologists have tried to match what they predicted a decade ago in an Environmental Impact Statement, with what's happened regarding ungulate populations, hunter harvest, domestic livestock, and land use.

Research was published in the winter 2005 edition of Yellowstone Science. Authors include P.J. White, the park's ungulate biologist; Doug Smith, the park's wolf biologist; Terry McEneaney, the park's ornithologist; Glenn Plumb, the park's supervisory wildlife biologist; Mike Jimenez, the Wyoming wolf project leader for the U.S. Fish %26 Wildlife Service; and John Duffield, a professor of economics for the University of Montana.

Wolves vs. Elk Findings

• Wolves are altering the abundance, distribution, group sizes, movements and vigilance of elk. There are some indications that these interactions may be causing new growth in willows as elk are kept on the move by wolves and don't stay to browse in any one area very long.
• Elk are the primary prey for wolves, comprising 92 percent of kills during the winter.
• In the early stages of wolf recovery (1995-2000) predation effects were not detected because the elk count was similar to 1980-1994.
• Counts of elk decreased significantly from 16,791 in winter 1995 to 8,335 in winter 2004 as the number of wolves on the northern range increased from 21 to 106. Factors contributing to this decrease include bear and wolf predation, increased human harvests, winter-kill (1997), and drought's impact.
• Wolves have not reduced mule deer or bison populations. Mule deer remain within 1 percent of a 17-year average of 2,014 deer, while the bison population grew 15 percent. There are no reliable estimates of moose populations following wolf restoration. Moose represent less than 4 percent of wolf diets in winter and only 26 instances of wolf predation on moose were recorded in Yellowstone during 1995-2003.
• Kill rates by wolves in winter are 22 ungulates per wolf per year – higher than the 12 ungulates per wolf rate predicted in the ESA.
• Since 2000, wolves have caused 45 percent of known deaths and 75 percent of predation deaths (not including human harvests) of radio-collared female elk on the northern range. By comparison, human harvest and winter-kill accounted for 30 percent and 8 percent respectively of the known deaths.
• The average annual harvest of 1,372 elk during the Gardiner late elk hunts from 1995 to 2004 was higher than the long-term average of 1,014 elk during 1976-1994. Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks has reduced antlerless permits by 51 percent from 2,882 to 1,400 during 2000-2004 and recently proposed 100 permits for 2006 – a 96 percent decrease from the 2,660 permits issued in 1995.

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/gray-wolves-impact-elk

 

[rc508pir]

Wolves have been a part of North America ecosystem long, long, before white man knew about this continent.i doubt the Indians did much to cull them. They are highly regarded in their culture.

If wolves were as detrimental to the wildlife as you say deer wouldn't even exist. Hell, I just google and Canada has 60,000 wolves and Alaska alone has 12,000. Is there any Caribou left?

You're kinda sounding like a climate alarmist, Dennis. No offense...

375 Million acres in Alaska and 2.3 billion acres in Canada, make 72,000 wolves pretty scarce.

The problem is, when you reintroduce wolves into a game rich environment, they breed quick. One pack of 8 becomes 5 packs in a few years. Then you have over population and there isn't enough game to support the population. Wolves end up killing cattle

 

[dennishoddy]

375 Million acres in Alaska and 2.3 billion acres in Canada, make 72,000 wolves pretty scarce.

The problem is, when you reintroduce wolves into a game rich environment, they breed quick. One pack of 8 becomes 5 packs in a few years. Then you have over population and there isn't enough game to support the population. Wolves end up killing cattle

That's exactly the problem with reintroducing anything to the wild, especially alpha predators that has became extinct in that area for the most part. There are exceptions like bison. Wolf introduction has not had much if any effect on the bison population. Main reason is that the bison will defend their young and a 1500lb cow bison is nothing to mess with. They use defense methods of herding the young into the center of a herd if attacked by a pack of wolves.
Elk on the other hand, don't have that defense mechanism. Its every animal for themselves.
BTW, when the Indians ruled the land around Yellowstone, elk were plains game. Encroaching civilization drove them to the mountains where they adapted. There were few to no elk in the Yellowstone area back when wolves ran wild and free.
Elk were native to Okla and Texas.

 

[rc508pir]

That's exactly the problem with reintroducing anything to the wild, especially alpha predators that has became extinct in that area for the most part. There are exceptions like bison. Wolf introduction has not had much if any effect on the bison population. Main reason is that the bison will defend their young and a 1500lb cow bison is nothing to mess with. They use defense methods of herding the young into the center of a herd if attacked by a pack of wolves.
Elk on the other hand, don't have that defense mechanism. Its every animal for themselves.
BTW, when the Indians ruled the land around Yellowstone, elk were plains game. Encroaching civilization drove them to the mountains where they adapted. There were few to no elk in the Yellowstone area back when wolves ran wild and free.
Elk were native to Okla and Texas.

Yeah I have seen Film of Bison forming a defensive line in between wolves and calve's. Pretty cool stuff

 

[lasher]

so the point you seem to be making is wolves need extinction so you can hunt? you put your hunting pleasure as more meaningful than the existence of a species? anyone ever heard of whooping cranes? this topic is too stupid to follow, the only species on the planet needing culling is homo sapiens

 

[MacFromOK]

Sheesh, is there a full moon or something? OSA seems to be going nuts tonight...

 

[dennishoddy]

so the point you seem to be making is wolves need extinction so you can hunt? you put your hunting pleasure as more meaningful than the existence of a species? anyone ever heard of whooping cranes? this topic is too stupid to follow, the only species on the planet needing culling is homo sapiens

Wolves are no where near extinction. Your point is?