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<blockquote data-quote="shooterdave" data-source="post: 2843179" data-attributes="member: 3128"><p>I read the FBI's latest report and took it a step further and read some of the research material that they refer to in the report. The most convincing was from a Physician who is also a gun guy. After years of working ER and seeing hundreds of GSW's, he has come to the conclusion that calibers 9,40, and 45 are basically a wash. They are all underpowered pistol rounds. You basically have three ways of stopping a bad guy with bullets. They are exsanguation (mass blood loss), damaged to the brain stem, and severe enough trama to the spinal cord to stop signals from going from point A to point B. All that said, it takes 10-15 seconds for a well placed heart shot to exsan a person to the point of imminent death with a single GSW from any on the three. Brain stem shots are rare and aiming at a moving targets brain stem is a recipe for death, FOR YOU. Same can be said for spinal injuries. </p><p>So, what does all this mean to us? It means that you can create all the fancy bullets you want, shoot them in any platform and caliber you prefer, but if your not properly placing MULTIPLE hits to areas of interest, your are likely to still be hand to hand with a bad guy intent on reaching you, or jacked up on a designer substance.</p><p> The answer is training! As it always has been. Find a caliber you like, weigh the pros and cons of bullet size versus ammo capacity and shoot the damned thing! I've been shooting for decades and training others for years. One of the most helpful training techniques is to train under adverse conditions. Find a way to introduce stress into the training environment is a controlled, safe manner. If you are having to mentally answer multiple "shoot, don't shoot" questions against moving targets all while listening for commands, your are teaching you mind to not lock in on a single issue such as putting a hole in a piece of paper that isn't moving or offering resistance. TAKE A CLASS!! You can learn enough in one or two classes of defensive shooting techniques to adapt and modify your own shooting program to introduce some of these stressors, safely.</p><p></p><p>One thing I've started teaching some of my LE buddies is to consider the nature of the bad guy and act accordingly. If you place a couple well placed shots on a guy and he is still advancing as if untouched, there is a good chance he is under the influence of something bad. Consider options to get this guy on the ground! For instance, if you place a couple well placed shots into the pelvis region, there is a good chance you will interrupt the structure. Bad guys cannot chase you if you break their pelvis. I don't care how high they are, if the wheels are broke, they cannot walk, period...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shooterdave, post: 2843179, member: 3128"] I read the FBI's latest report and took it a step further and read some of the research material that they refer to in the report. The most convincing was from a Physician who is also a gun guy. After years of working ER and seeing hundreds of GSW's, he has come to the conclusion that calibers 9,40, and 45 are basically a wash. They are all underpowered pistol rounds. You basically have three ways of stopping a bad guy with bullets. They are exsanguation (mass blood loss), damaged to the brain stem, and severe enough trama to the spinal cord to stop signals from going from point A to point B. All that said, it takes 10-15 seconds for a well placed heart shot to exsan a person to the point of imminent death with a single GSW from any on the three. Brain stem shots are rare and aiming at a moving targets brain stem is a recipe for death, FOR YOU. Same can be said for spinal injuries. So, what does all this mean to us? It means that you can create all the fancy bullets you want, shoot them in any platform and caliber you prefer, but if your not properly placing MULTIPLE hits to areas of interest, your are likely to still be hand to hand with a bad guy intent on reaching you, or jacked up on a designer substance. The answer is training! As it always has been. Find a caliber you like, weigh the pros and cons of bullet size versus ammo capacity and shoot the damned thing! I've been shooting for decades and training others for years. One of the most helpful training techniques is to train under adverse conditions. Find a way to introduce stress into the training environment is a controlled, safe manner. If you are having to mentally answer multiple "shoot, don't shoot" questions against moving targets all while listening for commands, your are teaching you mind to not lock in on a single issue such as putting a hole in a piece of paper that isn't moving or offering resistance. TAKE A CLASS!! You can learn enough in one or two classes of defensive shooting techniques to adapt and modify your own shooting program to introduce some of these stressors, safely. One thing I've started teaching some of my LE buddies is to consider the nature of the bad guy and act accordingly. If you place a couple well placed shots on a guy and he is still advancing as if untouched, there is a good chance he is under the influence of something bad. Consider options to get this guy on the ground! For instance, if you place a couple well placed shots into the pelvis region, there is a good chance you will interrupt the structure. Bad guys cannot chase you if you break their pelvis. I don't care how high they are, if the wheels are broke, they cannot walk, period... [/QUOTE]
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